Arrivederci Arrivebene
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Arrivebene was chiefly a Phillip Morris executive before Ferrari, he only worked at the scuderia from 2014. He worked with the F1 Commission from 2010 but I'm not sure where you get the idea he was ingrained in the team for years?
As I say, he may have great experience of sitting on a board and of advertising but as a team coach, sports manager or team leader he was an abject novice. It showed.
I think that it is also fair to say that he was there to do Marchionne’s bidding.As I say, he may have great experience of sitting on a board and of advertising but as a team coach, sports manager or team leader he was an abject novice. It showed.
That era has now passed, so not really surprising that he has gone.
Bright Halo said:
I hope his replacement is a bit more approachable for interviews.
So do I.Their attitude towards the media is not just a matter of Ferrari vs the Press. It is a kick in the teeth to motor racing fans in general, whose 'go between' are those very same journalists. They need to remember who pays out the money that their sponsors use to support the team.
I won't be sorry to see the back of this arrogance.
rdjohn said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Arrivebene was chiefly a Phillip Morris executive before Ferrari, he only worked at the scuderia from 2014. He worked with the F1 Commission from 2010 but I'm not sure where you get the idea he was ingrained in the team for years?
As I say, he may have great experience of sitting on a board and of advertising but as a team coach, sports manager or team leader he was an abject novice. It showed.
I think that it is also fair to say that he was there to do Marchionne’s bidding.As I say, he may have great experience of sitting on a board and of advertising but as a team coach, sports manager or team leader he was an abject novice. It showed.
That era has now passed, so not really surprising that he has gone.
I think a good bellwether is what Elkann does. As designed by old Agnelli himself, his grandson was mentored by Marchionne. He doesn’t look to be working too far off SM’s script yet...
It’s a really interesting debate and for the avoidance of doubt I did like him and think F1 will be a little poorer without him (if not necessarily Ferrari!).
I’ll also expand on my point about his media black out...
Had Ferrari have been successful last year I’m sure we would all have been claiming it his master stroke. Something straight out of the SAF playbook, especially when fingers were pointing regarding their suspect power deployment advantage.
But the media black out unfortunately made everyone peering in look at the only people in the spotlight. Arrivebene and the drivers.
Fine when you get everything right but pretty embarrassing and nowhere to hide when you drop the ball.
I’ll also expand on my point about his media black out...
Had Ferrari have been successful last year I’m sure we would all have been claiming it his master stroke. Something straight out of the SAF playbook, especially when fingers were pointing regarding their suspect power deployment advantage.
But the media black out unfortunately made everyone peering in look at the only people in the spotlight. Arrivebene and the drivers.
Fine when you get everything right but pretty embarrassing and nowhere to hide when you drop the ball.
thegreenhell said:
Ah, just read this & totally agree with that, and lines up with my thinking generally that Elkann is only doing what Marchionne would have (naturally) done had he survived. 
tigerkoi said:
thegreenhell said:
Ah, just read this & totally agree with that, and lines up with my thinking generally that Elkann is only doing what Marchionne would have (naturally) done had he survived. 
Cold said:
What's the new bloke, Mattia Binotto, like as a boss then?
Well for one he truly is Ferrari through and through. As a boss, I can only look at his results on his stewardship of the technical department and he's done pretty bloody well there.Rather than the posters decrying this as Ferrari conceding the season before it's begun, I can't help but think this could be the strongest the Scuderia has a chance of being since the glory years.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
tigerkoi said:
thegreenhell said:
Ah, just read this & totally agree with that, and lines up with my thinking generally that Elkann is only doing what Marchionne would have (naturally) done had he survived. 
Arrivabene wasn’t Ferrari’s problem. Lewis Hamilton is Ferrari’s problem.
They couldn’t beat him last season when they had the faster car for the majority of races. The Scuderia need to make Sir Lewis an offer he can’t refuse - come to Maranello and become a Ferrari legend like Schumacher.
They couldn’t beat him last season when they had the faster car for the majority of races. The Scuderia need to make Sir Lewis an offer he can’t refuse - come to Maranello and become a Ferrari legend like Schumacher.
Bradgate said:
Arrivabene wasn’t Ferrari’s problem. Lewis Hamilton is Ferrari’s problem.
They couldn’t beat him last season when they had the faster car for the majority of races. The Scuderia need to make Sir Lewis an offer he can’t refuse - come to Maranello and become a Ferrari legend like Schumacher.
Sorry, I’d have to disagree. In any performance format, you should beware focussing on external factors as hampering you or others just ‘being better’. No, focus on your performance.They couldn’t beat him last season when they had the faster car for the majority of races. The Scuderia need to make Sir Lewis an offer he can’t refuse - come to Maranello and become a Ferrari legend like Schumacher.
Row your own boat.
So regardless of what Hamilton and (more the car) Mercedes did, Ferrari should look at themselves. Did they honestly give an optimum performance over the whole season? Did they really do their best? Or did they mess it up?
They messed up. Mercedes maintained their sterling high performance. No dice. Arrivebene, pack your bags.
tigerkoi said:
They messed up. Mercedes maintained their sterling high performance. No dice. Arrivebene, pack your bags.
Ferrari's designers did a fabulous job and, IMO, produced the best car on the grid in 2018 overall. The race-day team as a unit simply couldn't compete with Mercedes; of course that includes an element of Vettel vs Hamilton but Ferrari's failure to execute on a par with Mercedes went far beyond the drivers. kambites said:
tigerkoi said:
They messed up. Mercedes maintained their sterling high performance. No dice. Arrivebene, pack your bags.
Ferrari's designers did a fabulous job and, IMO, produced the best car on the grid in 2018 overall. The race-day team as a unit simply couldn't compete with Mercedes; of course that includes an element of Vettel vs Hamilton but Ferrari's failure to execute on a par with Mercedes went far beyond the drivers. The more I look at it the more I think VET's days are numbered if he can't put LEC in his place. Question is, have they told him that?
thegreenhell said:
What did Arrivabene do wrong? He lacked the ability to lead and inspire. What he saw as leadership, many of those around him took as bullying. That's is very strong statement from the normally reserved Mark Hughes.
My only question is why did it take 4 years? Marchionne wasn't one to be indecisive.
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