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Encouraging news really https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/news/2019/07/rok...
sgtBerbatov said:
Encouraging news really https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/news/2019/07/rok...
Agreed - I’d imagine the further out you can see your budget the easier it is to work out what to do with it to improve things. sgtBerbatov said:
Encouraging news really https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/news/2019/07/rok...
I dunno. Lets face it, it probably isn't a big money deal so you could say that to lock in that 'title partnership' to the exclusion of all others for five years might show a lack of ambition on Williams' side. I imagine the only teams who have this degree of continuity with their title partners have an ingrained technical or financial commonality.
Williams could be in a very different situation in 2024, quite possibly (and hopefully) a better one than they are in now- and they will still be tied to a relatively low paying, small-time title sponsor.
TheDeuce said:
I have also just finished watching it.
I would say she comes across extremely well. Very natural in fact. I'm sure she has a fantastic wealth of knowledge and instinct from growing up as she has.
There's something missing though.. Just the sense that she's not fully in control and perhaps focuses on activity over effectiveness.
One example, the implementation of emotional intelligence testing etc.. She raised a problem that Williams have with that, namely that the team is old enough to have a significant generation gap between people that have to work together, and that emotionally they react/read and respond differently. "good point" I though, and waited for her to explain her plan to resolve this - but no plan came.
Then it got very awkward when she gave an example of social media impoliteness by people saying "She only has the job because she's the bosses daughter" but failed to say anything further about it. It felt like she pointed to the elephant in the room then pretended it didn't exist. It is a very poignant question though, she can hardly demand respect without demonstrating that she's effective enough to have the job on merit, irrespective of whether or not she happens to be Franks daughter. If she can't talk about that situation and answer the doubters then of course, such criticisms and assumptions will remain.
I have nothing bad to say about her at all, it's just I'm not convinced on several levels that she's in the right job. That's also emphatically not a criticism of her as a person, because it's not as if shes had very much choice about getting the job she has.
As ever, the more I hear from Claire, the more I warm to her but also feel she's in an almost impossibly awkward situation.
I thought she came across very well. I think she was spot on about social media, why listen to "experts" that actually know nothing about F1 - like this thread for example.I would say she comes across extremely well. Very natural in fact. I'm sure she has a fantastic wealth of knowledge and instinct from growing up as she has.
There's something missing though.. Just the sense that she's not fully in control and perhaps focuses on activity over effectiveness.
One example, the implementation of emotional intelligence testing etc.. She raised a problem that Williams have with that, namely that the team is old enough to have a significant generation gap between people that have to work together, and that emotionally they react/read and respond differently. "good point" I though, and waited for her to explain her plan to resolve this - but no plan came.
Then it got very awkward when she gave an example of social media impoliteness by people saying "She only has the job because she's the bosses daughter" but failed to say anything further about it. It felt like she pointed to the elephant in the room then pretended it didn't exist. It is a very poignant question though, she can hardly demand respect without demonstrating that she's effective enough to have the job on merit, irrespective of whether or not she happens to be Franks daughter. If she can't talk about that situation and answer the doubters then of course, such criticisms and assumptions will remain.
I have nothing bad to say about her at all, it's just I'm not convinced on several levels that she's in the right job. That's also emphatically not a criticism of her as a person, because it's not as if shes had very much choice about getting the job she has.
As ever, the more I hear from Claire, the more I warm to her but also feel she's in an almost impossibly awkward situation.
I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's s
t. Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
Petrus1983 said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Encouraging news really https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/news/2019/07/rok...
Agreed - I’d imagine the further out you can see your budget the easier it is to work out what to do with it to improve things. 
keirik said:
I thought she came across very well. I think she was spot on about social media, why listen to "experts" that actually know nothing about F1 - like this thread for example.
I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's st.
Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
A pretty simplistic view to be honest. I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's s
t. Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
Who is 'he', and if we can't blame Claire for the performance of the car, why can we blame this one unnamed man instead?
Listen to people like James Allison, Toto Wolff, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton to understand the many small factors which add up to allow a team of people to work at an exceptional level. It's a highly complex tapestry which takes years of work to weave.
Claire identified soft skills as her strong suit. She must aspire to create a similar environment within her team. This is not just holding any one person accountable for the team's overall performance. It is not just hiring and firing.
Secondly, how have you reached the conclusion that the design is s
t and the car is crap? The car appears to be reliable. The car is also the slowest of them all by far. This is not evidence that the design is s
t or that the car is just crap. The team has recently come out and said that the car is a good basis for development and that they have identified no fundamental flaw in the design. This could of course be bluster but in my view it is probably true. The car came out half baked. It was incomplete and ineligible. This is because of reasons. Scheduling errors, cash flow, bad interpretation, bad management, bad planning, bad design, combination of- we don't know. How can you so confidently assert that people in this thread know nothing about F1 and then make a load of assertions about Williams' design being 's
t', Williams' car being 'crap' and this single unnamed designer being responsible? Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 11th July 11:37
From the podcast, when she told the story about the driver not getting the contract because they kept talking to the CFO and not her there was an interesting exchange with Rosberg telling her she should have said something at the time.
She even asked "do you think I should?" and then spoke about being brought up to be polite, seen but not heard etc.
Sorry but strong F1 team leaders are not wall flowers, they are straight talking no nonsense people who can make quick decisions and get things done. There is a certain logic to her being the team figurehead and carrying the Williams name but she had better surround herself with people who fit the above quick or it will be a team run by committee meetings and that never works.
Alas that was probably also Paddy Lowe's failing when he was there.
She even asked "do you think I should?" and then spoke about being brought up to be polite, seen but not heard etc.
Sorry but strong F1 team leaders are not wall flowers, they are straight talking no nonsense people who can make quick decisions and get things done. There is a certain logic to her being the team figurehead and carrying the Williams name but she had better surround herself with people who fit the above quick or it will be a team run by committee meetings and that never works.
Alas that was probably also Paddy Lowe's failing when he was there.
HustleRussell said:
keirik said:
I thought she came across very well. I think she was spot on about social media, why listen to "experts" that actually know nothing about F1 - like this thread for example.
I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's st.
Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
A pretty simplistic view to be honest. I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's s
t. Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
Who is 'he', and if we can't blame Claire for the performance of the car, why can we blame this one unnamed man instead?
Listen to people like James Allison, Toto Wolff, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton to understand the many small factors which add up to allow a team of people to work at an exceptional level. It's a highly complex tapestry which takes years of work to weave.
Claire identified soft skills as her strong suit. She must aspire to create a similar environment within her team. This is not just holding any one person accountable for the team's overall performance. It is not just hiring and firing.
Secondly, how have you reached the conclusion that the design is s
t and the car is crap? The car appears to be reliable. The car is also the slowest of them all by far. This is not evidence that the design is s
t or that the car is just crap. The team has recently come out and said that the car is a good basis for development and that they have identified no fundamental flaw in the design. This could of course be bluster but in my view it is probably true. The car came out half baked. It was incomplete and ineligible. This is because of reasons. Scheduling errors, cash flow, bad interpretation, bad management, bad planning, bad design, combination of- we don't know. How can you so confidently assert that people in this thread know nothing about F1 and then make a load of assertions about Williams' design being 's
t', Williams' car being 'crap' and this single unnamed designer being responsible? Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 11th July 11:37
I can't criticise the design of the car but you can confidently declare that it came out half baked?
My whole point was she's judged by people who have no experience in F1 on here, and you're just continuing.
I know nothing about F1 design, I have however worked in F1 at McLaren and the old Stewart/Jaguar racing, so know it isn't all on the shoulders of the TP. You however are obviously much more experience and knowledge than me.
HustleRussell said:
keirik said:
I thought she came across very well. I think she was spot on about social media, why listen to "experts" that actually know nothing about F1 - like this thread for example.
I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's st.
Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
A pretty simplistic view to be honest. I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's s
t. Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
Who is 'he', and if we can't blame Claire for the performance of the car, why can we blame this one unnamed man instead?
Listen to people like James Allison, Toto Wolff, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton to understand the many small factors which add up to allow a team of people to work at an exceptional level. It's a highly complex tapestry which takes years of work to weave.
Claire identified soft skills as her strong suit. She must aspire to create a similar environment within her team. This is not just holding any one person accountable for the team's overall performance. It is not just hiring and firing.
Secondly, how have you reached the conclusion that the design is s
t and the car is crap? The car appears to be reliable. The car is also the slowest of them all by far. This is not evidence that the design is s
t or that the car is just crap. The team has recently come out and said that the car is a good basis for development and that they have identified no fundamental flaw in the design. This could of course be bluster but in my view it is probably true. The car came out half baked. It was incomplete and ineligible. This is because of reasons. Scheduling errors, cash flow, bad interpretation, bad management, bad planning, bad design, combination of- we don't know. How can you so confidently assert that people in this thread know nothing about F1 and then make a load of assertions about Williams' design being 's
t', Williams' car being 'crap' and this single unnamed designer being responsible? Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 11th July 11:37
HustleRussell said:
keirik said:
I thought she came across very well. I think she was spot on about social media, why listen to "experts" that actually know nothing about F1 - like this thread for example.
I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's st.
Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
A pretty simplistic view to be honest. I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's s
t. Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
Who is 'he', and if we can't blame Claire for the performance of the car, why can we blame this one unnamed man instead?
Listen to people like James Allison, Toto Wolff, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton to understand the many small factors which add up to allow a team of people to work at an exceptional level. It's a highly complex tapestry which takes years of work to weave.
Claire identified soft skills as her strong suit. She must aspire to create a similar environment within her team. This is not just holding any one person accountable for the team's overall performance. It is not just hiring and firing.
Secondly, how have you reached the conclusion that the design is s
t and the car is crap? The car appears to be reliable. The car is also the slowest of them all by far. This is not evidence that the design is s
t or that the car is just crap. The team has recently come out and said that the car is a good basis for development and that they have identified no fundamental flaw in the design. This could of course be bluster but in my view it is probably true. The car came out half baked. It was incomplete and ineligible. This is because of reasons. Scheduling errors, cash flow, bad interpretation, bad management, bad planning, bad design, combination of- we don't know. How can you so confidently assert that people in this thread know nothing about F1 and then make a load of assertions about Williams' design being 's
t', Williams' car being 'crap' and this single unnamed designer being responsible? Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 11th July 11:37
You don't need to know the finer details of running an F1 team to understand that the person at the top needs to understand how to achieve a strong result on every level, all towards delivering the best possible car and race-craft. I think in reality they do not have the resources to support their bloated team/operation and also deliver a competitive car. However, she decides to push on anyway, which I understand, but that is her decision. Her responsibility.
In the end, it's harsh but I doubt very much the TP's of successful teams would hold any different view of how they asses and explain their own performance. If she wasn't Frank's daughter I find it very difficult the believe she wouldn't have been blamed as the person with 'ultimate responsibility' by him several times over by now.
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 11th July 13:32
HustleRussell said:
keirik said:
I thought she came across very well. I think she was spot on about social media, why listen to "experts" that actually know nothing about F1 - like this thread for example.
I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's st.
Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
A pretty simplistic view to be honest. I'm sure she's got plenty to do without reading all the advice on here, and as she said, she isn't a car designer, and it's the car design that's s
t. Maybe she can take the blame for that because she hired the designer, but who here thought he'd come up with such a crap car?
Who is 'he', and if we can't blame Claire for the performance of the car, why can we blame this one unnamed man instead?
Listen to people like James Allison, Toto Wolff, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton to understand the many small factors which add up to allow a team of people to work at an exceptional level. It's a highly complex tapestry which takes years of work to weave.
Claire identified soft skills as her strong suit. She must aspire to create a similar environment within her team. This is not just holding any one person accountable for the team's overall performance. It is not just hiring and firing.
Secondly, how have you reached the conclusion that the design is s
t and the car is crap? The car appears to be reliable. The car is also the slowest of them all by far. This is not evidence that the design is s
t or that the car is just crap. The team has recently come out and said that the car is a good basis for development and that they have identified no fundamental flaw in the design. This could of course be bluster but in my view it is probably true. The car came out half baked. It was incomplete and ineligible. This is because of reasons. Scheduling errors, cash flow, bad interpretation, bad management, bad planning, bad design, combination of- we don't know. How can you so confidently assert that people in this thread know nothing about F1 and then make a load of assertions about Williams' design being 's
t', Williams' car being 'crap' and this single unnamed designer being responsible? keirik said:
But Claire Williams isn't allowed those years to weave it?
Oh, did I unwittingly say that Claire should go? No, no I didn't. keirik said:
I can't criticise the design of the car but you can confidently declare that it came out half baked?
That's a simple fact, the car turned up to testing days late, it then took longer still to emerge from the garage, and even then it was technically ineligible? keirik said:
My whole point was she's judged by people who have no experience in F1 on here, and you're just continuing.
I'm not though, am I? I'm taking exception to something you said which I thought was overly simplistic.Lewis takes Sir Frank for a spin around Silverstone, and Claire invites him to drive for their team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU
thegreenhell said:
Lewis takes Sir Frank for a spin around Silverstone, and Claire invites him to drive for their team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU
That was fantastic!thegreenhell said:
Lewis takes Sir Frank for a spin around Silverstone, and Claire invites him to drive for their team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU
Absolutely superb Jandywa said:
thegreenhell said:
Lewis takes Sir Frank for a spin around Silverstone, and Claire invites him to drive for their team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU
Absolutely superb Graveworm said:
Jandywa said:
thegreenhell said:
Lewis takes Sir Frank for a spin around Silverstone, and Claire invites him to drive for their team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSoQtwbpcGU
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