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NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?
Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.
Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
HustleRussell said:
NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?
Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.
Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
a fantastic drive from Russell while Kubica may aswell have been driving the safety car. Either something isn't even between the cars/crews or Kubica just doesnt have the apce any more. They've already swapped chassis which made no difference to the result........
Off topic with Lewis..each compound is supposed to be 1s apart new vs new...hardly a revelation that hamilton gained 1s a lap, in fact you'd argue he should have closed sooner. I actually think based on deg from the first stint and Lewis running longer that he would have got Max at the end without the stop.
HustleRussell said:
NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?
Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.
Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
I'm pretty sure they will be celebrating that they have gained more understanding of tyres, correlated that their upgrades work and have qualified and beaten rival cars on merit for pretty much the first time this year.Not sure what else you expect them to do, they aren't suddenly going to appear in the top ten out of nowhere and the recovery has to start somewhere, this is the first sign of green shoots and its a LOT better than putting n all that work and not seeing them that's for sure.
thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
I think that they will be happy with it and I hope they will see it as an important milestone which will motivate and focus them. Considering where they have been this season, if they can consistently nip at the heels of one or two other teams for the remainder of the season that is an achievement. They are in a motor race. HustleRussell said:
Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?
Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.
Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
n3il123 said:
HustleRussell said:
Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?
Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.
Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
It’s a brilliant result. I don’t even mind admitting to being one of the big doubters. But the quali pace to pole was reduced by over half, and GR properly raced 2 other teams, and came ahead. Going into the summer break I hope they’re a bit happier. I accept that we have to acknowledge that this weekend seemed to be the first crack of light at the end of a very long tunnel.
Given the nature of the Hungaroring, they are creating good downforce, but with a lot of drag - a bit like McLaren were before they woke up to the fact that all their problems were not all Honda related.
I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.
Given the nature of the Hungaroring, they are creating good downforce, but with a lot of drag - a bit like McLaren were before they woke up to the fact that all their problems were not all Honda related.
I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.
Petrus1983 said:
thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
It’s a brilliant result. I don’t even mind admitting to being one of the big doubters. But the quali pace to pole was reduced by over half, and GR properly raced 2 other teams, and came ahead. Going into the summer break I hope they’re a bit happier. My problem personally now is Kubica. I've wanted him to do well, but from the first half of the season (and especially the previous race) he just looks adrift of Russell and I don't think he's actually improved. I don't think this has anything to do with his injury, but more to do with the types of car he's driving now compared to when he was going to Ferrari. It's moved on, and he hasn't adapted to it.
I genuinely think we won't see him in F1 next year, and for me that's a shame but it can't be helped.
rdjohn said:
I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.Williams will be a good place to be for Russell, & if they get De Vries next year they’ll have two very handy pilots.
I think the Williams seat has the potential to be very good for Russel because it's given him a chance to learn his way around an F1 car with the only real valid point of comparison being a teammate he can comfortably beat. Now they seem to have got the car to the point where it's not seconds a lap off the pace he should get a chance to show whether he can race other drivers.
I think he really needs more of a known quantity as a teammate next year though to show how good he is. Ocon as a teammate would be a good chance because the teams already have a very good idea of his ability. If Williams end up with another rookie it'll be very hard for Russel to prove himself worthy of a drive in a better car.
I think he really needs more of a known quantity as a teammate next year though to show how good he is. Ocon as a teammate would be a good chance because the teams already have a very good idea of his ability. If Williams end up with another rookie it'll be very hard for Russel to prove himself worthy of a drive in a better car.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 6th August 09:42
Deesee said:
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary. I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.
thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary. I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.
thegreenhell said:
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary.
I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.
I was thinking about this on the walk in to work this morning. Hungary is a short lap so the time delta is going to look smaller. I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.
101.6% is good.
Hungary may be a blip but the trend over the first half of the season is positive- not only positive compared to their own past performances, but positive compared to the competition as well. That is exactly what we need to see. Also if their upgrades are working then we can hope that the trend will continue. Look at HAAS this season, they have one car in a five month old configuration and another in a current configuration and there is not a lot to choose between them!
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