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Petrus1983

8,719 posts

162 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Genuinely happy for GR. Have to admit to not really liking him that much before the start of the year - but now he’s one of my favourite drivers and hopefully the right people are noticing not only his talent on the track but likeability of it.

HustleRussell

24,701 posts

160 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
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Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.

andburg

7,290 posts

169 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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HustleRussell said:
NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
100% in agreement!

a fantastic drive from Russell while Kubica may aswell have been driving the safety car. Either something isn't even between the cars/crews or Kubica just doesnt have the apce any more. They've already swapped chassis which made no difference to the result........

Off topic with Lewis..each compound is supposed to be 1s apart new vs new...hardly a revelation that hamilton gained 1s a lap, in fact you'd argue he should have closed sooner. I actually think based on deg from the first stint and Lewis running longer that he would have got Max at the end without the stop.

thegreenhell

15,345 posts

219 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.

slipstream 1985

12,220 posts

179 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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HustleRussell said:
NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
I slated Williams for their strategy in Germany on here but yesterday was their best result of the year by far. Position doesn't matter if others fall off the track they legit beat some other cars on the track. Nice to see.

NewUsername

925 posts

56 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
I'm pretty sure they will be celebrating that they have gained more understanding of tyres, correlated that their upgrades work and have qualified and beaten rival cars on merit for pretty much the first time this year.

Not sure what else you expect them to do, they aren't suddenly going to appear in the top ten out of nowhere and the recovery has to start somewhere, this is the first sign of green shoots and its a LOT better than putting n all that work and not seeing them that's for sure.

HustleRussell

24,701 posts

160 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
I think that they will be happy with it and I hope they will see it as an important milestone which will motivate and focus them. Considering where they have been this season, if they can consistently nip at the heels of one or two other teams for the remainder of the season that is an achievement. They are in a motor race.

n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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HustleRussell said:
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
Indeed one or two very prolific posters MIA at the moment it would seem.

rscott

14,758 posts

191 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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n3il123 said:
HustleRussell said:
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
Indeed one or two very prolific posters MIA at the moment it would seem.
Wondering where The Deuce they've gone to?

rallycross

12,792 posts

237 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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rscott said:
Wondering where The Deuce they've gone to?
Got a new job, promoted to tea boy at a Williams F1 now and too busy to comment; maybe?!

Petrus1983

8,719 posts

162 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
It’s a brilliant result. I don’t even mind admitting to being one of the big doubters. But the quali pace to pole was reduced by over half, and GR properly raced 2 other teams, and came ahead. Going into the summer break I hope they’re a bit happier.

rscott

14,758 posts

191 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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rallycross said:
rscott said:
Wondering where The Deuce they've gone to?
Got a new job, promoted to tea boy at a Williams F1 now and too busy to comment; maybe?!
Able to comment on the other F1 threads, but strangely absent from this one.

rdjohn

6,180 posts

195 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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I accept that we have to acknowledge that this weekend seemed to be the first crack of light at the end of a very long tunnel.

Given the nature of the Hungaroring, they are creating good downforce, but with a lot of drag - a bit like McLaren were before they woke up to the fact that all their problems were not all Honda related.

I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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Petrus1983 said:
thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
It’s a brilliant result. I don’t even mind admitting to being one of the big doubters. But the quali pace to pole was reduced by over half, and GR properly raced 2 other teams, and came ahead. Going into the summer break I hope they’re a bit happier.
I think this a good synopsis of it. The qualifying deficit has been hit, and hit hard. Russell was able to battle on merit with two other teams.

My problem personally now is Kubica. I've wanted him to do well, but from the first half of the season (and especially the previous race) he just looks adrift of Russell and I don't think he's actually improved. I don't think this has anything to do with his injury, but more to do with the types of car he's driving now compared to when he was going to Ferrari. It's moved on, and he hasn't adapted to it.

I genuinely think we won't see him in F1 next year, and for me that's a shame but it can't be helped.

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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rdjohn said:
I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.

Williams will be a good place to be for Russell, & if they get De Vries next year they’ll have two very handy pilots.

kambites

67,571 posts

221 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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I think the Williams seat has the potential to be very good for Russel because it's given him a chance to learn his way around an F1 car with the only real valid point of comparison being a teammate he can comfortably beat. Now they seem to have got the car to the point where it's not seconds a lap off the pace he should get a chance to show whether he can race other drivers.

I think he really needs more of a known quantity as a teammate next year though to show how good he is. Ocon as a teammate would be a good chance because the teams already have a very good idea of his ability. If Williams end up with another rookie it'll be very hard for Russel to prove himself worthy of a drive in a better car.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 6th August 09:42

thegreenhell

15,345 posts

219 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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Deesee said:
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary.

I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary.

I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.
Spa and Monza are high speed circuits, likewise at other high speed circuits they have been around the 103% mark, they have been working on speed out of low speed / mid speed corners, this is where they are losing the most time, we may not see an improvement at the next two, but say Brazil/Singapore I'm expecting them to be up the field a bit, they don't seem to be standing still/going backwards relative to the field at the present IMO.

HustleRussell

24,701 posts

160 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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thegreenhell said:
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary.

I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.
I was thinking about this on the walk in to work this morning. Hungary is a short lap so the time delta is going to look smaller.

101.6% is good.

Hungary may be a blip but the trend over the first half of the season is positive- not only positive compared to their own past performances, but positive compared to the competition as well. That is exactly what we need to see. Also if their upgrades are working then we can hope that the trend will continue. Look at HAAS this season, they have one car in a five month old configuration and another in a current configuration and there is not a lot to choose between them!

NewUsername

925 posts

56 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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Lets remember the other teams are not standing still ( Haas excepted lololol) so for Williams to stand still vs the rest let alone make back any ground is good.