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EDLT

15,200 posts

151 months

Saturday 3rd August
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This popped up on Reddit, Kubica's car has a bit of wheel wobble and is pulling to the left slightly on apparently brand new tyres (ie no flat spots):
https://streamable.com/aitmy
Compared to Kimi's car which is solid as a rock:
https://youtu.be/JkCZAzZ1hqk

NewUsername

122 posts

1 month

Monday 5th August
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Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.

skwdenyer

7,413 posts

185 months

Monday 5th August
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For those interested, the quali laps side by side: https://streamable.com/xygwg

I’d love to see Williams swap the engineers around for a weekend to see if that made any difference; it is hard to believe from that video that the two cars are optimised as well as each other.

That said perhaps Robert really has lost the feeling for the edge.

Petrus1983

2,446 posts

107 months

Monday 5th August
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Genuinely happy for GR. Have to admit to not really liking him that much before the start of the year - but now he’s one of my favourite drivers and hopefully the right people are noticing not only his talent on the track but likeability of it.

HustleRussell

16,791 posts

105 months

Monday 5th August
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NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.

andburg

3,249 posts

114 months

Monday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
100% in agreement!

a fantastic drive from Russell while Kubica may aswell have been driving the safety car. Either something isn't even between the cars/crews or Kubica just doesnt have the apce any more. They've already swapped chassis which made no difference to the result........

Off topic with Lewis..each compound is supposed to be 1s apart new vs new...hardly a revelation that hamilton gained 1s a lap, in fact you'd argue he should have closed sooner. I actually think based on deg from the first stint and Lewis running longer that he would have got Max at the end without the stop.

thegreenhell

6,108 posts

164 months

Monday 5th August
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A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.

slipstream 1985

6,535 posts

124 months

Monday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
NewUsername said:
Super weekend for Wiliams, putting aside the fact that a draggy car has less effect here then they were at least able to 'go racing' with one car in qualy and race. GR looks more like the real deal every weekend, RK less and less so. Still, nice to see some tangible progress, ie didn't qualify last on merit, didnt finish last on merit.
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
I slated Williams for their strategy in Germany on here but yesterday was their best result of the year by far. Position doesn't matter if others fall off the track they legit beat some other cars on the track. Nice to see.

NewUsername

122 posts

1 month

Monday 5th August
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thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
I'm pretty sure they will be celebrating that they have gained more understanding of tyres, correlated that their upgrades work and have qualified and beaten rival cars on merit for pretty much the first time this year.

Not sure what else you expect them to do, they aren't suddenly going to appear in the top ten out of nowhere and the recovery has to start somewhere, this is the first sign of green shoots and its a LOT better than putting n all that work and not seeing them that's for sure.

HustleRussell

16,791 posts

105 months

Monday 5th August
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thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
I think that they will be happy with it and I hope they will see it as an important milestone which will motivate and focus them. Considering where they have been this season, if they can consistently nip at the heels of one or two other teams for the remainder of the season that is an achievement. They are in a motor race.

n3il123

1,618 posts

158 months

Monday 5th August
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HustleRussell said:
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
Indeed one or two very prolific posters MIA at the moment it would seem.

rscott

9,203 posts

136 months

Monday 5th August
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n3il123 said:
HustleRussell said:
yes

Isn't it a bit odd that we have 100 pages of people kicking Williams and then when they legitimately finish ahead of a Racing Point and an Alfa Romeo in a dry race at a technical circuit it's so quiet in here?

Meanwhile, Hamilton's win was apparently enabled not by a tactical masterstroke combined with an incredible drive, but by the supposed fact that the Mercedes was faster than the Red Bull not by a small margin but by 'a second a lap'.

Leaves me wondering what is wrong with the British.
Indeed one or two very prolific posters MIA at the moment it would seem.
Wondering where The Deuce they've gone to?

rallycross

10,212 posts

182 months

Monday 5th August
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rscott said:
Wondering where The Deuce they've gone to?
Got a new job, promoted to tea boy at a Williams F1 now and too busy to comment; maybe?!

Petrus1983

2,446 posts

107 months

Tuesday 6th August
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thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
It’s a brilliant result. I don’t even mind admitting to being one of the big doubters. But the quali pace to pole was reduced by over half, and GR properly raced 2 other teams, and came ahead. Going into the summer break I hope they’re a bit happier.

rscott

9,203 posts

136 months

Tuesday 6th August
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rallycross said:
rscott said:
Wondering where The Deuce they've gone to?
Got a new job, promoted to tea boy at a Williams F1 now and too busy to comment; maybe?!
Able to comment on the other F1 threads, but strangely absent from this one.

rdjohn

3,637 posts

140 months

Tuesday 6th August
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I accept that we have to acknowledge that this weekend seemed to be the first crack of light at the end of a very long tunnel.

Given the nature of the Hungaroring, they are creating good downforce, but with a lot of drag - a bit like McLaren were before they woke up to the fact that all their problems were not all Honda related.

I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.

sgtBerbatov

1,610 posts

26 months

Tuesday 6th August
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Petrus1983 said:
thegreenhell said:
A solid weekend for Russell, but I don't think anyone in the team will be celebrating finishing two laps down in 16th.
It’s a brilliant result. I don’t even mind admitting to being one of the big doubters. But the quali pace to pole was reduced by over half, and GR properly raced 2 other teams, and came ahead. Going into the summer break I hope they’re a bit happier.
I think this a good synopsis of it. The qualifying deficit has been hit, and hit hard. Russell was able to battle on merit with two other teams.

My problem personally now is Kubica. I've wanted him to do well, but from the first half of the season (and especially the previous race) he just looks adrift of Russell and I don't think he's actually improved. I don't think this has anything to do with his injury, but more to do with the types of car he's driving now compared to when he was going to Ferrari. It's moved on, and he hasn't adapted to it.

I genuinely think we won't see him in F1 next year, and for me that's a shame but it can't be helped.

Deesee

2,756 posts

28 months

Tuesday 6th August
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rdjohn said:
I guess it also shows just how good Russell might be. It does not thrill me that he might be stuck at Williams for 3-years.
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.

Williams will be a good place to be for Russell, & if they get De Vries next year they’ll have two very handy pilots.

kambites

57,334 posts

166 months

Tuesday 6th August
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I think the Williams seat has the potential to be very good for Russel because it's given him a chance to learn his way around an F1 car with the only real valid point of comparison being a teammate he can comfortably beat. Now they seem to have got the car to the point where it's not seconds a lap off the pace he should get a chance to show whether he can race other drivers.

I think he really needs more of a known quantity as a teammate next year though to show how good he is. Ocon as a teammate would be a good chance because the teams already have a very good idea of his ability. If Williams end up with another rookie it'll be very hard for Russel to prove himself worthy of a drive in a better car.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 6th August 09:42

thegreenhell

6,108 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th August
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Deesee said:
He will learn his trade here, Russell is already showing the signs of being a top drawer driver at 11 races in, anyway Williams are now within 102/103% of pole, that’s a massive leap forward from the 106% at Melbourne (even with the fastest cars evolving), hopefully the improvement will continue and we will have a few more points finishes.
They were 102.8% off in Melbourne, 103.4% off in Germany last week, and 101.6% off in Hungary.

I'd suggest it's an anomaly of the slow Hungaroring track that gave the apparent improvement. Remember that they also finished ahead of other cars on merit at Monaco. If they can be that close again in Spa and Monza then they can claim real progress, but I'd be very surprised if they aren't whole seconds off the back again.