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rscott said:
Could simply have been that they weren't confident the upgrade would work, so didn't want to build large quantities of parts until they had sufficient data to prove it.
Hope so. This article explains what they have seen from the upgrade and it appears to make a difference: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150744/williams-... and does confirm both will have it for Silverstone GP.I was really just picking up on them saying "we only have one set" and hoping that wasn't a sign they were going to be spares limited this season like last, because on top of everything else last season the spares shortages was a bit sad.
TheDeuce said:
Going back to the core problem, if it really is cash/cashflow interfering with the supply of raw materials - is there any reason the team couldn't bring on a materials supplier (or a couple) as sponsors in return for a supply of materials on an 'as required' basis and preferential lead times etc? There is space on the car for more sponsors and I could see it having some appeal to such suppliers. Or would that be a conflict because they no doubt supply multiple teams?
"Sorry, we can't pay anybody this month, but here's a picture of a Williams with our name on the side instead. Try taking it to Tesco and ask them to accept it as payment for your groceries".Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 23 July 10:22
Cashflow is not the issue with the upgrades.
Claire has done her difficult job remarkably well over the last few years giving the team a proper budget to go racing, that is also the case this year.
The technical team have let her and themselves down in the past but the restructuring is paying dividends, its good to see them validating upgrades that actually work on track and looking to bring them to both cars.
If they crashed and broke the upgrades they'd revert to older spec to go racing if they didn't have enough new parts so the issue of parts availability is red herring as far as the above conversation goes.
as a side note paying Tesco with a picture of your brand on an F1 car is akin to settling your overdraft with a drawing of a spider .....http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
Claire has done her difficult job remarkably well over the last few years giving the team a proper budget to go racing, that is also the case this year.
The technical team have let her and themselves down in the past but the restructuring is paying dividends, its good to see them validating upgrades that actually work on track and looking to bring them to both cars.
If they crashed and broke the upgrades they'd revert to older spec to go racing if they didn't have enough new parts so the issue of parts availability is red herring as far as the above conversation goes.
as a side note paying Tesco with a picture of your brand on an F1 car is akin to settling your overdraft with a drawing of a spider .....http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
NewUsername said:
Cashflow is not the issue with the upgrades.
Claire has done her difficult job remarkably well over the last few years giving the team a proper budget to go racing, that is also the case this year.
The technical team have let her and themselves down in the past but the restructuring is paying dividends, its good to see them validating upgrades that actually work on track and looking to bring them to both cars.
If they crashed and broke the upgrades they'd revert to older spec to go racing if they didn't have enough new parts so the issue of parts availability is red herring as far as the above conversation goes.
as a side note paying Tesco with a picture of your brand on an F1 car is akin to settling your overdraft with a drawing of a spider .....http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
Welcome to the Forum, Claire!Claire has done her difficult job remarkably well over the last few years giving the team a proper budget to go racing, that is also the case this year.
The technical team have let her and themselves down in the past but the restructuring is paying dividends, its good to see them validating upgrades that actually work on track and looking to bring them to both cars.
If they crashed and broke the upgrades they'd revert to older spec to go racing if they didn't have enough new parts so the issue of parts availability is red herring as far as the above conversation goes.
as a side note paying Tesco with a picture of your brand on an F1 car is akin to settling your overdraft with a drawing of a spider .....http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
Dermot O'Logical said:
Welcome to the Forum, Claire!
have a listen to Patrick Head on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXNxXgbLPzETheDeuce said:
Hope so. This article explains what they have seen from the upgrade and it appears to make a difference: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150744/williams-... and does confirm both will have it for Silverstone GP.
I was really just picking up on them saying "we only have one set" and hoping that wasn't a sign they were going to be spares limited this season like last, because on top of everything else last season the spares shortages was a bit sad.
It's normal for teams to only have one set of upgraded parts. Fully funded teams like Red Bull do it, hence Webber having his upgraded front wing taken away and put on Vettels car leading Mark to say "not bad for a number 2"I was really just picking up on them saying "we only have one set" and hoping that wasn't a sign they were going to be spares limited this season like last, because on top of everything else last season the spares shortages was a bit sad.
What's sad is your constant bashing of Williams.
jsf said:
It's normal for teams to only have one set of upgraded parts. Fully funded teams like Red Bull do it, hence Webber having his upgraded front wing taken away and put on Vettels car leading Mark to say "not bad for a number 2"
What's sad is your constant bashing of Williams.
No issue with the single car upgrade or with Williams.What's sad is your constant bashing of Williams.
NewUsername said:
Cashflow is not the issue with the upgrades.
Claire has done her difficult job remarkably well over the last few years giving the team a proper budget to go racing, that is also the case this year.
The technical team have let her and themselves down in the past but the restructuring is paying dividends, its good to see them validating upgrades that actually work on track and looking to bring them to both cars.
If they crashed and broke the upgrades they'd revert to older spec to go racing if they didn't have enough new parts so the issue of parts availability is red herring as far as the above conversation goes.
as a side note paying Tesco with a picture of your brand on an F1 car is akin to settling your overdraft with a drawing of a spider .....http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
It's Claire's job to hire/fire the technical teamClaire has done her difficult job remarkably well over the last few years giving the team a proper budget to go racing, that is also the case this year.
The technical team have let her and themselves down in the past but the restructuring is paying dividends, its good to see them validating upgrades that actually work on track and looking to bring them to both cars.
If they crashed and broke the upgrades they'd revert to older spec to go racing if they didn't have enough new parts so the issue of parts availability is red herring as far as the above conversation goes.
as a side note paying Tesco with a picture of your brand on an F1 car is akin to settling your overdraft with a drawing of a spider .....http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html
I have just found this You Tube clip;
Claire Williams on placing the Williams F1 Team up for sale & why she’s optimistic for the future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32y8TEmWd7U
Whilst it is 'old news', I don’t think this particular interview has been posted up on Pistonheads, for ‘critical review’...
There are reactions to this You Tube video posted in the comments section to the video, some which, DON’T pull any punches… …in fact they are ‘brutal’…
Snowman Frost 2 months ago •
Claire Williams sounds more absurd than Benny Hill now. Ship is literally sinking but everything is fine. All is going well and according to plan. This level of surrealism radiating from team manager is truly astonishing. Unbelievable... and pretty hilarious at the same time
scott aubrey 2 months ago •
I'm confused, a business is failing. It's been underperforming for 20 years. They can no longer pay staff or get sponsors, yet selling the family company is a positive thing!?
Raymand Doks 2 months ago •
Silver spoon kids, they're mostly clueless. They can't fathom what it takes to build what they're enjoying and buckle at the first sight of trouble. Get someone tenacious in there Claire! This team can be saved with the right people in charge.
Claire Williams on placing the Williams F1 Team up for sale & why she’s optimistic for the future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32y8TEmWd7U
Whilst it is 'old news', I don’t think this particular interview has been posted up on Pistonheads, for ‘critical review’...
There are reactions to this You Tube video posted in the comments section to the video, some which, DON’T pull any punches… …in fact they are ‘brutal’…
Snowman Frost 2 months ago •
Claire Williams sounds more absurd than Benny Hill now. Ship is literally sinking but everything is fine. All is going well and according to plan. This level of surrealism radiating from team manager is truly astonishing. Unbelievable... and pretty hilarious at the same time
scott aubrey 2 months ago •
I'm confused, a business is failing. It's been underperforming for 20 years. They can no longer pay staff or get sponsors, yet selling the family company is a positive thing!?
Raymand Doks 2 months ago •
Silver spoon kids, they're mostly clueless. They can't fathom what it takes to build what they're enjoying and buckle at the first sight of trouble. Get someone tenacious in there Claire! This team can be saved with the right people in charge.
I thought Williams did much better this weekend and were deservedly in the midfield battle on pace.
They looked quite competitive again in qualifying, but I was expecting them not be able to match that in the race as had been the case previously and the team themselves had said in Austria that their race pace isn't as good as qualifying. However, both cars were competitive and George made a few overtakes, was able to close gaps to those in front to make further overtakes when necessary and was close enough to benefit from some of the late misfortune to others. Even Latifi beat Grosjean and Kimi on merit.
I'm confident they'll get points this season.
They looked quite competitive again in qualifying, but I was expecting them not be able to match that in the race as had been the case previously and the team themselves had said in Austria that their race pace isn't as good as qualifying. However, both cars were competitive and George made a few overtakes, was able to close gaps to those in front to make further overtakes when necessary and was close enough to benefit from some of the late misfortune to others. Even Latifi beat Grosjean and Kimi on merit.
I'm confident they'll get points this season.
groomi said:
I thought Williams did much better this weekend and were deservedly in the midfield battle on pace.
They looked quite competitive again in qualifying, but I was expecting them not be able to match that in the race as had been the case previously and the team themselves had said in Austria that their race pace isn't as good as qualifying. However, both cars were competitive and George made a few overtakes, was able to close gaps to those in front to make further overtakes when necessary and was close enough to benefit from some of the late misfortune to others. Even Latifi beat Grosjean and Kimi on merit.
I'm confident they'll get points this season.
Yes - massive improvement this year.They looked quite competitive again in qualifying, but I was expecting them not be able to match that in the race as had been the case previously and the team themselves had said in Austria that their race pace isn't as good as qualifying. However, both cars were competitive and George made a few overtakes, was able to close gaps to those in front to make further overtakes when necessary and was close enough to benefit from some of the late misfortune to others. Even Latifi beat Grosjean and Kimi on merit.
I'm confident they'll get points this season.
All those massively vocal naysayers and misogynists must be choking on their own bile by now.
JonChalk said:
Yes - massive improvement this year.
All those massively vocal naysayers and misogynists must be choking on their own bile by now.
They have definitely improved - but I feel that one significant contribution to their move up the grid has been the poor performance of the Ferrari power unit this year, which has provided Williams with a handy opportunity to leapfrog the Alfa and Haas cars. All those massively vocal naysayers and misogynists must be choking on their own bile by now.
stevesuk said:
They have definitely improved - but I feel that one significant contribution to their move up the grid has been the poor performance of the Ferrari power unit this year, which has provided Williams with a handy opportunity to leapfrog the Alfa and Haas cars.
Alternatively, you could say the un-pegged back Ferrari powertrain made Williams look worse than they were last year.stevesuk said:
JonChalk said:
Yes - massive improvement this year.
All those massively vocal naysayers and misogynists must be choking on their own bile by now.
They have definitely improved - but I feel that one significant contribution to their move up the grid has been the poor performance of the Ferrari power unit this year, which has provided Williams with a handy opportunity to leapfrog the Alfa and Haas cars. All those massively vocal naysayers and misogynists must be choking on their own bile by now.
thegreenhell said:
Qualifying 2020 vs 2019
| Racing Point | -1.089 |
| Mercedes | -0.790 |
| Williams | -0.697 |
| McLaren | -0.442 |
| Renault | -0.173 |
| Red Bull | 0.049 |
| Alpha Tauri | 0.156 |
| Ferrari | 0.255 |
| Haas | 0.401 |
| Alfa Romeo | 0.617 |
The Williams team have managed build a faster 2020 car than last year's - well, it couldn't have been any worse. Given their PU, the cars are still woefully slow.
Toto manages Russell. Russell was regarded as the best of the 2019 newcomers. Why is he tied to Williams for 2021 too? Surely somebody from another team would want him next year.
I expected him to replace Bottas next season.
Has Toto got plans for him? I'd hate Russell to miss the bus, like others before him.
Toto manages Russell. Russell was regarded as the best of the 2019 newcomers. Why is he tied to Williams for 2021 too? Surely somebody from another team would want him next year.
I expected him to replace Bottas next season.
Has Toto got plans for him? I'd hate Russell to miss the bus, like others before him.
Europa Jon said:
- well, it couldn't have been any worse..
That's what they said at he start of 2019 too.......Like it or not Claire's structural and technical reorganisation is paying dividends along with a decent racing budget she has cobbled together. She is indeed a chip off the old block , its a shame there isn't a Head junior to carry on with her too.
If they can make sure they don't cock up the regulation changes they should be a solid midfield team at worst
Europa Jon said:
The Williams team have managed build a faster 2020 car than last year's - well, it couldn't have been any worse. Given their PU, the cars are still woefully slow.
Toto manages Russell. Russell was regarded as the best of the 2019 newcomers. Why is he tied to Williams for 2021 too? Surely somebody from another team would want him next year.
I expected him to replace Bottas next season.
Has Toto got plans for him? I'd hate Russell to miss the bus, like others before him.
He’s got a contract with Williams and they don’t want to release him. Why would/should they?Toto manages Russell. Russell was regarded as the best of the 2019 newcomers. Why is he tied to Williams for 2021 too? Surely somebody from another team would want him next year.
I expected him to replace Bottas next season.
Has Toto got plans for him? I'd hate Russell to miss the bus, like others before him.
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