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citizensm1th said:
Will O. Bey jr said:
citizensm1th said:
Will O. Bey jr said:
citizensm1th said:
DanielSan said:
Own their own bulls
t and admit their failings? Somehow the family get off scot-free with fking the whole situation up, while now walking away with a big stack of cash and a fk you to their employees. In no other team would Claire have been kept in her position for so long yet everyone seems happy to keep making excuses and say how good a job she's done.
You seem very angry about someone doing what they want with their company that they built from scratch.t and admit their failings? Somehow the family get off scot-free with fking the whole situation up, while now walking away with a big stack of cash and a fk you to their employees. In no other team would Claire have been kept in her position for so long yet everyone seems happy to keep making excuses and say how good a job she's done.They owe nobody anything, they provided employment for hundreds of people for years through their own hardbwork and enterprise,
What are you some type of communist or something?
I'm guessing you're big fan of 0 hour contracts?
t the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish. Will O. Bey jr said:
Well colour me surprised as it was non other than you who turned this thread into "wot r u sum kind of kommie or summink" when someone dared to mention the irony of the situation. If what you claim that the greatness of a company is defined by the greatness of the owners and employees are just a disposable commodity then there's no better proof of how st the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish.
Oh dear someone has got their tight whiteys in a bunch, it was a joke you humourless melt. t the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish. citizensm1th said:
Will O. Bey jr said:
Well colour me surprised as it was non other than you who turned this thread into "wot r u sum kind of kommie or summink" when someone dared to mention the irony of the situation. If what you claim that the greatness of a company is defined by the greatness of the owners and employees are just a disposable commodity then there's no better proof of how st the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish.
Oh dear someone has got their tight whiteys in a bunch, it was a joke you humourless melt. t the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish. citizensm1th said:
Could have been worse they could have sat down in a meeting and decided that they would upset some bloke on a pokey little website called Dan and that in light of that they should have not signed the agreement and closed up shop immediately to retire to the South of France to spend their millions
Will O. Bey jr said:
citizensm1th said:
Will O. Bey jr said:
Well colour me surprised as it was non other than you who turned this thread into "wot r u sum kind of kommie or summink" when someone dared to mention the irony of the situation. If what you claim that the greatness of a company is defined by the greatness of the owners and employees are just a disposable commodity then there's no better proof of how st the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish.
Oh dear someone has got their tight whiteys in a bunch, it was a joke you humourless melt. t the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish. citizensm1th said:
Could have been worse they could have sat down in a meeting and decided that they would upset some bloke on a pokey little website called Dan and that in light of that they should have not signed the agreement and closed up shop immediately to retire to the South of France to spend their millions
citizensm1th said:
Will O. Bey jr said:
Well colour me surprised as it was non other than you who turned this thread into "wot r u sum kind of kommie or summink" when someone dared to mention the irony of the situation. If what you claim that the greatness of a company is defined by the greatness of the owners and employees are just a disposable commodity then there's no better proof of how st the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish.
Oh dear someone has got their tight whiteys in a bunch, it was a joke you humourless melt. t the Williams management was and them getting paid for it would have never happened in a true free market economy where the central banks aren't allowed to print money as they wish. 
It's ok - he'll be thread banned again soon. Then third strike is a forum ban.
andburg said:
its is odd, seeing an equity firm take control of a team in a sport where I would assume only the top 2 teams actually make a profit!
Another question is why sell to an equity firm at all - it seems all bet certain the new guys won't continue running Williams as a bonafide constructor, which is something the Williams family insisted the team had to be. But if that is to change now anyway, why didn't they go to Mercedes cap in hand a couple of years back and be the b-team Merc need? Either way the team would have been saved but by becoming a b-team, it could have been saved without them having to sell.Maybe they concluded it was inevitable either way and they'd rather not still own the team when it does have to change course.
Mark-C said:
From the Dorilton Website:
Patience
We prefer to create value over the longer term by reinvesting cash flow while avoiding excessive leverage.
Partnership
We work actively with existing management teams recognizing that long-term business success is the result of a team effort. Dorilton views its role as providing additional capital for acquisitions and growth projects and support and expertise to take its companies to the next level.
Continuity
We partner with companies that are led by strong management teams and have a successful history and culture. We firmly believe in our companies continuing with the elements that have made them successful.
That would involve getting Toto back in then, as since he left and Claire has been at the helm, they've not exactly thrived Patience
We prefer to create value over the longer term by reinvesting cash flow while avoiding excessive leverage.
Partnership
We work actively with existing management teams recognizing that long-term business success is the result of a team effort. Dorilton views its role as providing additional capital for acquisitions and growth projects and support and expertise to take its companies to the next level.
Continuity
We partner with companies that are led by strong management teams and have a successful history and culture. We firmly believe in our companies continuing with the elements that have made them successful.
It will be interesting if she stays, ultimately the poor performance buck stops with her and they've been in poor shape for a long time.
As for the sexism being inferred, I think Gunther "f
k off" Steiner should get reassigned too, maybe he could do a motivational speaking tour with Gordon Ramsay Decline has nothing to do with Claire W’s reign, but everything to do with the sins / arrogance of the father.
Motorsport has a weird habit of dishing out karma, especially when a team is very arrogant during the good times:
Shafted long-term sponsor Canon
Shafted long-term sponsor RJ Reynolds
Shafted Nigel Mansell
Shafted Alain Prost
Shafted Damon Hill
Shafted Adrian Newey
It’s now known in paddock circles as ‘The Williams Curse’ – why do you think Toto Wolff bends over backwards to be Herr Firm-but-fair?
Other victims of this karma-type include Ron Dennis and in turn McLaren, Michael Schumacher, Honda (ironically, for shafting Williams), Lotus, and Jack Sparrow.
A recent recipient of motorsport’s ‘black spot’ is Red Bull’s Christian Horner...‘Tis all true, that it be.
Motorsport has a weird habit of dishing out karma, especially when a team is very arrogant during the good times:
Shafted long-term sponsor Canon
Shafted long-term sponsor RJ Reynolds
Shafted Nigel Mansell
Shafted Alain Prost
Shafted Damon Hill
Shafted Adrian Newey
It’s now known in paddock circles as ‘The Williams Curse’ – why do you think Toto Wolff bends over backwards to be Herr Firm-but-fair?
Other victims of this karma-type include Ron Dennis and in turn McLaren, Michael Schumacher, Honda (ironically, for shafting Williams), Lotus, and Jack Sparrow.
A recent recipient of motorsport’s ‘black spot’ is Red Bull’s Christian Horner...‘Tis all true, that it be.
SturdyHSV said:
That would involve getting Toto back in then, as since he left and Claire has been at the helm, they've not exactly thrived
It will be interesting if she stays, ultimately the poor performance buck stops with her and they've been in poor shape for a long time.
As for the sexism being inferred, I think Gunther "fk off" Steiner should get reassigned too, maybe he could do a motivational speaking tour with Gordon Ramsay
Ramsay as Haas's new TP? It will be interesting if she stays, ultimately the poor performance buck stops with her and they've been in poor shape for a long time.
As for the sexism being inferred, I think Gunther "f
k off" Steiner should get reassigned too, maybe he could do a motivational speaking tour with Gordon Ramsay 
Netflix would be delighted!
jsf said:
THe 2022 rules allow for kit cars for most parts, only the aerodynamic surfaces seem to be team designed. Pretty sad state of affairs.
Williams will dump a lot of staff and will buy in most parts IMHO.
I'm assuming that there are going to be a lot of redundancies throughout the industry with the new rules and the budget cap. The big teams will lay off to keep under the cap and the small teams as they will be able to buy in a lot of the technology.Williams will dump a lot of staff and will buy in most parts IMHO.
n3il123 said:
I'm assuming that there are going to be a lot of redundancies throughout the industry with the new rules and the budget cap. The big teams will lay off to keep under the cap and the small teams as they will be able to buy in a lot of the technology.
It's surely inevitable. Teams having close to 1000 people building two cars a year is an expensive extravagance.jsf said:
THe 2022 rules allow for kit cars for most parts, only the aerodynamic surfaces seem to be team designed. Pretty sad state of affairs.
Williams will dump a lot of staff and will buy in most parts IMHO.
It's clearly done to keep the sport affordable and to close some of the alarming gaps in the field. But it is sad, not at all 'F1' really.Williams will dump a lot of staff and will buy in most parts IMHO.
Does seem almost certain Williams will be drastically downsized, they haven't had a true constructor budget for many years yet they have retained a constructor sized workforce and facilities etc. The incoming cost caps give and ownership change make is all more excusable/understandable to cull the numbers now too. I'm not really a fan of the budget cap, not least as it reduces the number of jobs in F1 which isn't very pleasant. In fact it's quite shocking.
TheDeuce said:
It's clearly done to keep the sport affordable and to close some of the alarming gaps in the field. But it is sad, not at all 'F1' really.
Does seem almost certain Williams will be drastically downsized, they haven't had a true constructor budget for many years yet they have retained a constructor sized workforce and facilities etc. The incoming cost caps give and ownership change make is all more excusable/understandable to cull the numbers now too. I'm not really a fan of the budget cap, not least as it reduces the number of jobs in F1 which isn't very pleasant. In fact it's quite shocking.
Most will be redeployed to other motorsport or parallel industries. Smart people in engineering from a sector of rapid innovation are always in demand. Does seem almost certain Williams will be drastically downsized, they haven't had a true constructor budget for many years yet they have retained a constructor sized workforce and facilities etc. The incoming cost caps give and ownership change make is all more excusable/understandable to cull the numbers now too. I'm not really a fan of the budget cap, not least as it reduces the number of jobs in F1 which isn't very pleasant. In fact it's quite shocking.
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