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TheDeuce said:
More of the same about Williams.. interesting he claims both drivers are looking for other teams though. I suppose it's true that all drivers in lower teams are looking to get a better seat, but I wasn't aware either were actively looking for opportunities elsewhere.
As for the Kubica comments, I think he'll get some criticism for saying a disabled person shouldn't be in F1. He's probably right, in as much as the sport requires the finest drivers in peak condition, which Kubica may not be... The problem is it's too early to say if Kubicas performance really is affected by his specific disability. It probably is, but we don't know yet.
Not that it really matters who drives the Williams car at the moment - I could drive it and win as many points for the team as kubica or Russell will
So if kubica cares enough about returning to F1 to buy himself his seat, then so be it.
I have to agree with him, to some extent. It doesn’t seem right that someone who is disabled (or young kids with nothing but pretty ordinary racing backgrounds and good sponsors) can be included in the 20 drivers in the world who are chosen to drive in what is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. As for the Kubica comments, I think he'll get some criticism for saying a disabled person shouldn't be in F1. He's probably right, in as much as the sport requires the finest drivers in peak condition, which Kubica may not be... The problem is it's too early to say if Kubicas performance really is affected by his specific disability. It probably is, but we don't know yet.
Not that it really matters who drives the Williams car at the moment - I could drive it and win as many points for the team as kubica or Russell will
So if kubica cares enough about returning to F1 to buy himself his seat, then so be it.As for a disabled person being in F1, I’m not sure why his view should be contentious. There are plenty of sports where it is accepted that a disabled person would, in general, be at a disadvantage and arrangements are made for them to compete separately.
If it turns out that Kubica is competitive, which I appreciate is a stretch at the moment, it has to hint that F1 cars are maybe not quite so hard to drive as some think, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway, I doubt Robert will be there for the full season, one way or another, so it could be all academic.
REALIST123 said:
I have to agree with him, to some extent. It doesn’t seem right that someone who is disabled (or young kids with nothing but pretty ordinary racing backgrounds and good sponsors) can be included in the 20 drivers in the world who are chosen to drive in what is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport.
As for a disabled person being in F1, I’m not sure why his view should be contentious. There are plenty of sports where it is accepted that a disabled person would, in general, be at a disadvantage and arrangements are made for them to compete separately.
If it turns out that Kubica is competitive, which I appreciate is a stretch at the moment, it has to hint that F1 cars are maybe not quite so hard to drive as some think, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway, I doubt Robert will be there for the full season, one way or another, so it could be all academic.
I agree with him fully, on the proviso that the disability actually does affect the drivers ability. My point was that before commenting on a specific persons worth, it's surely better/wiser to simply wait until they're a few races in and we know what their performance actually is. If in the next 3 races he outpaces Russell (I can't see that happening..) then the fact of the matter would be that Kubica comes closer to meeting the perfect driver criteria than Russell.As for a disabled person being in F1, I’m not sure why his view should be contentious. There are plenty of sports where it is accepted that a disabled person would, in general, be at a disadvantage and arrangements are made for them to compete separately.
If it turns out that Kubica is competitive, which I appreciate is a stretch at the moment, it has to hint that F1 cars are maybe not quite so hard to drive as some think, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway, I doubt Robert will be there for the full season, one way or another, so it could be all academic.
However unlikely that is, I don't see why JV felt the need to comment about something clearly contentious in the first place. Maybe he just wanted a bit of media attention..
REALIST123 said:
I have to agree with him, to some extent. It doesn’t seem right that someone who is disabled (or young kids with nothing but pretty ordinary racing backgrounds and good sponsors) can be included in the 20 drivers in the world who are chosen to drive in what is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport.
As for a disabled person being in F1, I’m not sure why his view should be contentious. There are plenty of sports where it is accepted that a disabled person would, in general, be at a disadvantage and arrangements are made for them to compete separately.
If it turns out that Kubica is competitive, which I appreciate is a stretch at the moment, it has to hint that F1 cars are maybe not quite so hard to drive as some think, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway, I doubt Robert will be there for the full season, one way or another, so it could be all academic.
F1 cars have power steering. What characteristics do you think make an F1 car difficult to drive? The physical demands (primarily muscles to deal with g loadings), the insane speeds, the very fine balance required to live life on the edge. How are any of those an impediment to RK?As for a disabled person being in F1, I’m not sure why his view should be contentious. There are plenty of sports where it is accepted that a disabled person would, in general, be at a disadvantage and arrangements are made for them to compete separately.
If it turns out that Kubica is competitive, which I appreciate is a stretch at the moment, it has to hint that F1 cars are maybe not quite so hard to drive as some think, rightly or wrongly.
Anyway, I doubt Robert will be there for the full season, one way or another, so it could be all academic.
The "men from the boys" stuff these days has nothing to do with being strong enough to turn the (unassisted) wheel, and everything to do with being pretty superhuman in terms of one's relationship with the physical world at lightning speed.
Given that so much of F1 is about team performance, I'm surprised JV with his pretty outspoken views and apparent need to be right all the time didn't find he had a personality disability that interfered with his performance
skwdenyer said:
...I'm surprised JV with his pretty outspoken views and apparent need to be right all the time didn't find he had a personality disability that interfered with his performance
I believe it was the need to design around his massive head which hindered the performance of the BAR. After all, the Reynard boys had won everything else first time out, so it couldn't have been their fault...groomi said:
skwdenyer said:
...I'm surprised JV with his pretty outspoken views and apparent need to be right all the time didn't find he had a personality disability that interfered with his performance
I believe it was the need to design around his massive head which hindered the performance of the BAR. After all, the Reynard boys had won everything else first time out, so it couldn't have been their fault...Seeing as we’re entering an era where you’re more likely to see a young teenage boy with zero personality driving an F1 car, then it’s hard not to crave the loss of many characters when the action stops and the interviews start.
Watching Lando Norris being interviewed the other day, giggling about how he doesn’t drink at all and spends all that time playing Forza or something...blimey. How sad I thought. How 2019. What’s the world coming too? What happened to the time where men were men and grizzled veterans manhandled crazy BHP monsters?
Anyway, back at Williams, it would appear that the consensus amongst us, former drivers and and respected journalists is the problems start and finish with the surname Williams.
Clearly they have massive egos because of their history and believe their own hype. That's the same with any flawed leader of a big empire, whether business or country leader. I have never liked Frank, he's always come across as arrogant and aloof. Very unapproachable. Not what you want or need in business, let alone a failing one. And Claire, is way out of her depth. I doubt she has a handle on anything. Would struggle to manage a hen party in Blackpool let alone a struggling F1 team in dire need of good strong inclusive management.
They will be mobile roadblocks all season and need financial rescue for 2020 or fold. How long is RoKit tied in for? Not that they look particularly flush with money.
Clearly they have massive egos because of their history and believe their own hype. That's the same with any flawed leader of a big empire, whether business or country leader. I have never liked Frank, he's always come across as arrogant and aloof. Very unapproachable. Not what you want or need in business, let alone a failing one. And Claire, is way out of her depth. I doubt she has a handle on anything. Would struggle to manage a hen party in Blackpool let alone a struggling F1 team in dire need of good strong inclusive management.
They will be mobile roadblocks all season and need financial rescue for 2020 or fold. How long is RoKit tied in for? Not that they look particularly flush with money.
tigerkoi said:
groomi said:
skwdenyer said:
...I'm surprised JV with his pretty outspoken views and apparent need to be right all the time didn't find he had a personality disability that interfered with his performance
I believe it was the need to design around his massive head which hindered the performance of the BAR. After all, the Reynard boys had won everything else first time out, so it couldn't have been their fault...Seeing as we’re entering an era where you’re more likely to see a young teenage boy with zero personality driving an F1 car, then it’s hard not to crave the loss of many characters when the action stops and the interviews start.
Watching Lando Norris being interviewed the other day, giggling about how he doesn’t drink at all and spends all that time playing Forza or something...blimey. How sad I thought. How 2019. What’s the world coming too? What happened to the time where men were men and grizzled veterans manhandled crazy BHP monsters?
To add in to the conversation regarding Kubica and disabilities;
I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
thatdude said:
To add in to the conversation regarding Kubica and disabilities;
I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
Disappointed he rode a Honda CB900 and not a Suzuki Bandit...I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
cuprabob said:
thatdude said:
To add in to the conversation regarding Kubica and disabilities;
I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
Disappointed he rode a Honda CB900 and not a Suzuki Bandit...I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
thatdude said:
To add in to the conversation regarding Kubica and disabilities;
I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
Think how quick he could have been with two.......I used to commute, by motorcycle, across london many years ago. Some people I was faster than, others I was slower than.
I, and several others, were shown a clean pair of heels one morning around Kingston by a chap on a CB900, who had very little fear and very good skills.
He only had one arm.
Deesee said:
Rumour time.
No upgrades to the car this week, and limited parts taken to Bahrain.
Apparently they have a car at the much vaunted Toyota wind tunnel this week...
We could see some improvement in the coming races.
Wouldn't read too much into that. They've used the Toyota wind tunnel for years.No upgrades to the car this week, and limited parts taken to Bahrain.
Apparently they have a car at the much vaunted Toyota wind tunnel this week...
We could see some improvement in the coming races.
TheDeuce said:
Kraken said:
Wouldn't read too much into that. They've used the Toyota wind tunnel for years.
Why don't they use their own? Is it rented out full-time?DanielSan said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Didn't Villeneuve say all the testing he did for F1 was him playing Grand Prix 2 on the PC before his debut in Australia?
He said he learnt the tracks on it. Which at the time didn't seem unlikely there weren't many options to do it elsewhere.
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