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I’ve just finished a podcast series while walking the dog called The Windsor’s. It’s about the Royal Family. (Bear with me!!)
Each episode goes through the life of different members of the royal family. The Queen, Prince Philip, Kate, William, Diana, Fergie etc.
While they repeated a number of the same events through the series (like Diana’s death) I found it a particularly effective way of telling the story of each person.
If they did something similar with the next series, it’d allow Merc and Rari to be involved without dominating the story. It would allow all 10 teams to have a sensible part to play.
Each episode goes through the life of different members of the royal family. The Queen, Prince Philip, Kate, William, Diana, Fergie etc.
While they repeated a number of the same events through the series (like Diana’s death) I found it a particularly effective way of telling the story of each person.
If they did something similar with the next series, it’d allow Merc and Rari to be involved without dominating the story. It would allow all 10 teams to have a sensible part to play.
miniman said:
Watched a few episodes so far. As a Williams fan, it's sad to say that Claire just isn't the right person to turn it around. Can you imagine Frank taking that s
t from Lawrence Stroll? Or Ron, Horner, Briatore etc.
Additionally, Lance Stroll is a whining little bh.
I get the suspicion that Williams have taken a decision to try and survive until the rule change of 2021 and have a half decent competitive package for that, then with the budget cap etc... you'd hope they can move forward in the subsequent seasons, I don't hold out much hope for them in 2020. I have my doubts about that strategy paying off and if it doesn't I really fear for their survival.t from Lawrence Stroll? Or Ron, Horner, Briatore etc. Additionally, Lance Stroll is a whining little b
h. I agree about Stroll (father and son), the arrogance seems to outweigh the talent and I'd imagine the level of toxicity Lawrence seems to bring would make any team he's involved in a tough place to be. That's just an external impression and I hope I'm wrong because the workers at Racing Point deserve better given how well they perform on their budget.
patmahe said:
I get the suspicion that Williams have taken a decision to try and survive until the rule change of 2021 and have a half decent competitive package for that, then with the budget cap etc... you'd hope they can move forward in the subsequent seasons, I don't hold out much hope for them in 2020. I have my doubts about that strategy paying off and if it doesn't I really fear for their survival.
I agree about Stroll (father and son), the arrogance seems to outweigh the talent and I'd imagine the level of toxicity Lawrence seems to bring would make any team he's involved in a tough place to be. That's just an external impression and I hope I'm wrong because the workers at Racing Point deserve better given how well they perform on their budget.
I think that was probably the course Williams wanted to take in advance of the 2021 changes. But with dropping revenues and a car that's already as bad as it can get (if it was any slower it would fail the 107% rule), I can't see how they have any serious resources to develop a ground up car for 2021. I also imagine they were hopeful of a lower budget cap - they can't even reach the cap that's been set so that's not going to offer any respite for them.I agree about Stroll (father and son), the arrogance seems to outweigh the talent and I'd imagine the level of toxicity Lawrence seems to bring would make any team he's involved in a tough place to be. That's just an external impression and I hope I'm wrong because the workers at Racing Point deserve better given how well they perform on their budget.
The 2021 'light at the end of the tunnel' that they have been limping towards, has gone out. From their perspective at least.
New plan? Just sell the team, Frank..
miniman said:
Watched a few episodes so far. As a Williams fan, it's sad to say that Claire just isn't the right person to turn it around. Can you imagine Frank taking that st from Lawrence Stroll? Or Ron, Horner, Briatore etc.
Additionally, Lance Stroll is a whining little bh.
When The Stroll’s had taken over FI and wanted Lance released from his Williams deal she was apparently a real hard ass about it and refused to budge from the full amount specified in the contract. Some say it was in the realm of high single millions, maybe even $10m in break fees.t from Lawrence Stroll? Or Ron, Horner, Briatore etc. Additionally, Lance Stroll is a whining little b
h. MissChief said:
When The Stroll’s had taken over FI and wanted Lance released from his Williams deal she was apparently a real hard ass about it and refused to budge from the full amount specified in the contract. Some say it was in the realm of high single millions, maybe even $10m in break fees.
I'm sure she was firm on that point - they desperately relied on that money, Claire said as much at the time I recall.They're in a viscous circle when it comes to revenue: performance can't improve without increasing their revenue, which means attracting higher sponsorship, which will only happen once their performance improves.
A team the size of Williams (800 ish staff) can't afford multiple seasons at the back of the grid, but that is sadly the situation they're in now.
patmahe said:
miniman said:
Watched a few episodes so far. As a Williams fan, it's sad to say that Claire just isn't the right person to turn it around. Can you imagine Frank taking that st from Lawrence Stroll? Or Ron, Horner, Briatore etc.
Additionally, Lance Stroll is a whining little bh.
I get the suspicion that Williams have taken a decision to try and survive until the rule change of 2021 and have a half decent competitive package for that, then with the budget cap etc... you'd hope they can move forward in the subsequent seasons, I don't hold out much hope for them in 2020. I have my doubts about that strategy paying off and if it doesn't I really fear for their survival.t from Lawrence Stroll? Or Ron, Horner, Briatore etc. Additionally, Lance Stroll is a whining little b
h. I agree about Stroll (father and son), the arrogance seems to outweigh the talent and I'd imagine the level of toxicity Lawrence seems to bring would make any team he's involved in a tough place to be. That's just an external impression and I hope I'm wrong because the workers at Racing Point deserve better given how well they perform on their budget.
MissChief said:
coppice said:
Being in a viscous circle is even stickier than being in a vicious one ...
It is a little bit viscous as they can't escape from it at the moment!
Also ignore my profession as a fluid engineer, so I really should understand viscosity... oops.
As you point out however, MissChief, happily it works either way
patmahe said:
I get the suspicion that Williams have taken a decision to try and survive until the rule change of 2021 and have a half decent competitive package for that, then with the budget cap etc... you'd hope they can move forward in the subsequent seasons, I don't hold out much hope for them in 2020. I have my doubts about that strategy paying off and if it doesn't I really fear for their survival.
I agree about Stroll (father and son), the arrogance seems to outweigh the talent and I'd imagine the level of toxicity Lawrence seems to bring would make any team he's involved in a tough place to be. That's just an external impression and I hope I'm wrong because the workers at Racing Point deserve better given how well they perform on their budget.
they're unlikely to improve until/unless they sort their leadership issue out, people bang on about budget but torro rosso and alfa aren't on that much more. As for Lawrence a sponsor/daddy can only "bring toxicity" into a team if a weak leader permits it.I agree about Stroll (father and son), the arrogance seems to outweigh the talent and I'd imagine the level of toxicity Lawrence seems to bring would make any team he's involved in a tough place to be. That's just an external impression and I hope I'm wrong because the workers at Racing Point deserve better given how well they perform on their budget.
Teddy Lop said:
they're unlikely to improve until/unless they sort their leadership issue out, people bang on about budget but torro rosso and alfa aren't on that much more. As for Lawrence a sponsor/daddy can only "bring toxicity" into a team if a weak leader permits it.
They are also b teams, which isn't something Williams will accept. Williams revenue is hugely relevant to this discussion because they have less of it than either TR or AR, yet have approx 200-300 more staff.The finest leadership in the world isn't going to be able to magically improve a team that suffers the staff costs of a top team but has the revenue of a back running team. Put a genius in charge tomorrow and within a few days they'll have put together a detailed report of how much money they need to get the team up to speed and financially stable. I have no doubt Williams have looked at that reality themselves - but have no way of raising such funds without either becoming a b-team or selling up outright.
I'm not saying talent and leadership isn't important. But money in F1 sets the potential and the better the leadership, the more of that potential is realised.
minor thread resurrection ; apologies 
Binge watching both series on Netflix and as an avid armchair fan for 30 years+ it’s apparent that the audio that Netflix delivers on inboard or even close outboard car shots is far superior to that of sky. Ie if the front wing or bodywork is broken you can hear it scraping along the tarmac. Even the engines sound more meaty.
How have they done this and why do Sky not have this feed,
Is it added audio magic in post production? Fake sound for added drama?
Binge watching both series on Netflix and as an avid armchair fan for 30 years+ it’s apparent that the audio that Netflix delivers on inboard or even close outboard car shots is far superior to that of sky. Ie if the front wing or bodywork is broken you can hear it scraping along the tarmac. Even the engines sound more meaty.
How have they done this and why do Sky not have this feed,
Is it added audio magic in post production? Fake sound for added drama?
parabolica said:
Most likely. Pretty sure people were complaining before about audio and visuals not matching up.
I hadn't noticed any issues with audio not matching up, but certainly a lot of stuff I think had been edited quite a bit.A slight aside on audio, while I hadn't been watching a lot over the last few seasons, I'd never picked up on the engines being quiet enough on the onboards that you can now hear transmission whine, I was used to this being a gt/ touring car thing
The audio is definitely enhanced and somewhat embellished! But I think it's done well enough and isn't unreasonable, it's meant to dramatise the sport a little and entice new viewers.
The sounds they're adding might not be genuine but I suppose they are approximations of the real sounds we would hear - if it were not for the obvious difficulties recording the sounds for real surrounding a very noisy F1 car on a very noisy track environment.
The sounds they're adding might not be genuine but I suppose they are approximations of the real sounds we would hear - if it were not for the obvious difficulties recording the sounds for real surrounding a very noisy F1 car on a very noisy track environment.
TheDeuce said:
The audio is definitely enhanced and somewhat embellished! But I think it's done well enough and isn't unreasonable, it's meant to dramatise the sport a little and entice new viewers.
Fundamentally dishonest then. The word DOCUMENTARY should impose a requirement to be truthful - not embellish or falsify.Is that what they feel they have to do to make it interesting?
Eric Mc said:
TheDeuce said:
The audio is definitely enhanced and somewhat embellished! But I think it's done well enough and isn't unreasonable, it's meant to dramatise the sport a little and entice new viewers.
Fundamentally dishonest then. The word DOCUMENTARY should impose a requirement to be truthful - not embellish or falsify.Is that what they feel they have to do to make it interesting?
Don't lots of documentaries add in entire recreations to demonstrate the drama of what is being examined? I've watched a couple about the birth of the universe - I can't imagine where they got original footage from..
Did you watch and find interest in the series?
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