Ted Kravitz has gone..........apparently!

Ted Kravitz has gone..........apparently!

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red_slr

17,266 posts

190 months

Tuesday 9th April 2019
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The only way to get better coverage and better value is to vote with your feet. I left sky at the start of this year after 30+ years of watching F1.

jonwm

2,525 posts

115 months

Tuesday 9th April 2019
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I'm a pretty loyal Sky F1 subscriber, having been with them since day 1 i can honestly say I would never have thought of leaving them, the changes this year have made me u turn on that idea, axing Ted's notebook was awful, I cant gel with Karun at all and have only watched the actual races the last 2 weekends, previously i'd watch all the coverage, unless it changes I will seek alternative viewing i think.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 9th April 2019
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jonwm said:
I'm a pretty loyal Sky F1 subscriber, having been with them since day 1 i can honestly say I would never have thought of leaving them, the changes this year have made me u turn on that idea, axing Ted's notebook was awful, I cant gel with Karun at all and have only watched the actual races the last 2 weekends, previously i'd watch all the coverage, unless it changes I will seek alternative viewing i think.
Same here. I switched off before the podium, whereas I'd wait for Ted's Notebook before.

chunder27

2,309 posts

209 months

Tuesday 9th April 2019
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red-sir

Good man.

The ONLY way anyone change will occur here is to stop watching it completely, or watch on dodgy streams.

hit them where it hurts.

No other method will force change.

Sadly, most F1 fans are sheep, sorry to be harsh.

Smollet

10,610 posts

191 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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chunder27 said:
red-sir

Good man.

The ONLY way anyone change will occur here is to stop watching it completely, or watch on dodgy streams.

hit them where it hurts.

No other method will force change.

Sadly, most F1 fans are sheep, sorry to be harsh.
Baaa.

DS240

4,678 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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I’ve kept Sky F1, but reorganized packages and dropped overall price per month.

I don’t particularly like the changes or all the characters on Sky F1, but I’d rather be able to watch all the races live, if and when I want, rather than not having that option. I don’t bother with practice sessions and less bothered about qualifying live if I’ve got stuff on.

Getting rid and cutting off my enjoyment of being able to watch the races isn’t likely to teach sky a lesson.

Evercross

6,011 posts

65 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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DS240 said:
Getting rid and cutting off my enjoyment of being able to watch the races isn’t likely to teach sky a lesson.
THat's denial right there. If by doing so you reduce their revenue stream and several hundred thousand do the same then the lesson will be they overpaid for F1 (which they did). PPV F1 is not sustainable with the number they have, which is why they are now bundling race weekends onto cheaper packages.

Italy is a year further down the road than the UK in terms of F1 coverage on TV and Sky there are now offering a bargain basement F1 TV package available on terrestrial TV.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 10th April 18:04

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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Evercross said:
DS240 said:
Getting rid and cutting off my enjoyment of being able to watch the races isn’t likely to teach sky a lesson.
THat's denial right there. If by doing so you reduce their revenue stream and several hundred thousand do the same then the lesson will be they overpaid for F1 (which they did). PPV F1 is not sustainable with the number they have, which is why they are now bundling race weekends onto cheaper packages.

Italy is a year further down the road than the UK in terms of F1 coverage on TV and Sky there are now offering a bargain basement F1 TV package available on terrestrial TV.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 10th April 18:04
Sky has exclusivity sewn up until 2020-something with their contract, you aren’t going to be changing anything.

You might miss some fantastic races however.

sly fox

2,231 posts

220 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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Evercross said:
THat's denial right there. If by doing so you reduce their revenue stream and several hundred thousand do the same then the lesson will be they overpaid for F1 (which they did). PPV F1 is not sustainable with the number they have, which is why they are now bundling race weekends onto cheaper packages.

Italy is a year further down the road than the UK in terms of F1 coverage on TV and Sky there are now offering a bargain basement F1 TV package available on terrestrial TV.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 10th April 18:04
Do you really think it's going to hit them hard when their revenue is £12-14Bn a year?
Tv/Media/Subscription platforms is a (very) long term business model.

Ring up Sky, try to do a deal on your subscription, if you don't get the answer you want, put the phone down and call back to another sales person.
Usually get a decent chunk off your monthly cost to keep most people happy.

Sports are going PPV. All popular sports will do this over time. It's the modern way like it or not.

Blink982

767 posts

105 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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How long have sky got exclusive rights for because if they keep this up, their subscriptions are going to take a nose dive. I know its the only way to see live F1 but since they've had F1, despite chucking money and bodies at it, their coverage is getting worse. I thought things might improve with some new faces like Button but it's not working for me. I like Ted but I can see why some don't but he's certainly one of the better of the sky team. There are several others (most of them) that should have had their screen time cut. With sky's resources, they should be doing much better.

thegreenhell

15,404 posts

220 months

Wednesday 10th April 2019
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Blink982 said:
How long have sky got exclusive rights for...
Until 2025...

Adrian W

Original Poster:

13,876 posts

229 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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sly fox said:
Sports are going PPV. All popular sports will do this over time. It's the modern way like it or not.
That would be the end of Watching F1 in the UK, no one would bother, Formula E would suddenly become popular

TheDeuce

21,716 posts

67 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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Adrian W said:
sly fox said:
Sports are going PPV. All popular sports will do this over time. It's the modern way like it or not.
That would be the end of Watching F1 in the UK, no one would bother, Formula E would suddenly become popular
Apart from all the people that apparently are paying to watch, and have been for a long time now.

Latest word is that Sky viewing figures for PPV are increasing healthily - I think the links are somewhere in this thread.

paulw123

3,230 posts

191 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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Adrian W said:
sly fox said:
Sports are going PPV. All popular sports will do this over time. It's the modern way like it or not.
That would be the end of Watching F1 in the UK, no one would bother, Formula E would suddenly become popular
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?

TheDeuce

21,716 posts

67 months

Thursday 11th April 2019
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paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?

As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.


S0 What

3,358 posts

173 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?

As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
Same in all walks of life, IF i want a better car i pay more and get a better one, if i want a better dinner i but finest instead of everyday, if i want better TV ect ect

S0 What

3,358 posts

173 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Smollet said:
chunder27 said:
red-sir

Good man.

The ONLY way anyone change will occur here is to stop watching it completely, or watch on dodgy streams.

hit them where it hurts.

No other method will force change.

Sadly, most F1 fans are sheep, sorry to be harsh.
Baaa.
Oh do stop bleating on tongue out

S0 What

3,358 posts

173 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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TheDeuce said:
Adrian W said:
sly fox said:
Sports are going PPV. All popular sports will do this over time. It's the modern way like it or not.
That would be the end of Watching F1 in the UK, no one would bother, Formula E would suddenly become popular
Apart from all the people that apparently are paying to watch, and have been for a long time now.

Latest word is that Sky viewing figures for PPV are increasing healthily - I think the links are somewhere in this thread.
After 10 years of having sky F1 i lost it, the 1st year after loosing it i watched dodgy streams and ch4, 2nd year i had use of the sky sports app and ch4, 3rd (this) year i have NowTv sports pass (free, eldest son won it), next year ? well put it this way i started saving after the first race to keep the sports pass (it's the best compromise ATM) AND i still miss the full sky packadge! mainly cos having to be in and watching at a certain time is a PITA.
As to sky having me by the balls, well after ending a 25 Yr marriage and being free for the fist time in ages i misssed having my balls in somones (anyones) vice like grip laugh

Bullitt Five-Oh

876 posts

68 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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S0 What said:
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?

As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
Same in all walks of life, IF i want a better car i pay more and get a better one, if i want a better dinner i but finest instead of everyday, if i want better TV ect ect
It's funny because it is absolutely not true. You were made to believe it through years of subconscious conditioning.

Exhibit 1 - Channel 4 (until last year)
Exhibit 2 - DACH countries can choose 4 different FTA streams, 3 of which are in German. The quality of which (except RTL admittedly) exceed Sky and their shouty idiots crew. That's the reason why the F1tv is so cheap in countries like DACH because it has to compete with better quality free programming.

PS 2025 innit. baaaaaah bbbbbbaaaaaah.

skwdenyer

16,527 posts

241 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Bullitt Five-Oh said:
S0 What said:
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?

As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
Same in all walks of life, IF i want a better car i pay more and get a better one, if i want a better dinner i but finest instead of everyday, if i want better TV ect ect
It's funny because it is absolutely not true. You were made to believe it through years of subconscious conditioning.

Exhibit 1 - Channel 4 (until last year)
Exhibit 2 - DACH countries can choose 4 different FTA streams, 3 of which are in German. The quality of which (except RTL admittedly) exceed Sky and their shouty idiots crew. That's the reason why the F1tv is so cheap in countries like DACH because it has to compete with better quality free programming.

PS 2025 innit. baaaaaah bbbbbbaaaaaah.
F1 was not historically "free" but instead was paid-for by sponsorship and by (reasonable) TV rights fees.

The change happened because the sponsorship flowed to the teams, not to Bernie. By ratcheting-up the TV fees, and then "compensating" the teams for their declining sponsorship revenues (less FTA TV = less sponsorship value), Bernie got a cut of the pie that he did not previously have access to, as well as an important lever in "controlling" the teams.

To get that deal through, he had to "buy off" several teams with significant bounties, which has directly contributed to the massive budget inequality we see today.

Much of the "bleating" is not so much about the individual's need to buy a TV deal (which, as others have pointed out, is not a "given" but just a quirk of birth and country of current residence), but about the very great potential for long-term damage to a sport people care about by hiding it away.