Ted Kravitz has gone..........apparently!
Discussion
Interestingly in this month's Motor Sport magazine there is s transcript of an interview conducted by Alan Henry with Luca Di Montezemolo from 2001.
Quote" I will never accept that you are obliged to pay a television rate to watch a Formula One race - that's against the future of F1"
Says it all really
Quote" I will never accept that you are obliged to pay a television rate to watch a Formula One race - that's against the future of F1"
Says it all really
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
What I do think is wrong, and will happily complain about is the fact that there is no way of paying a reasonable amount for it...
As far as I can see, the minimum cost is somewhere in the region of £30 a month, and that's not reasonable.
If their (much advertised) £10 offer was actually genuine then I would have signed up at the start of the year, sadly it isn't £10 - it's £10 extra... fine if you already have Sky, but I don't watch enough TV to make that worthwhile so I don't.
TheDeuce said:
Ted on today too. Only half gone then.
He's back for 13 races this year. - https://twitter.com/SkyHelpTeam/status/11162959840...Interesting follow up from Sky - "Hi, 13 is how many Ted has confirmed that he can do. ^DW" . That could be speculation or simply be that Ted only wants to do 13 races...
K50 DEL said:
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
What I do think is wrong, and will happily complain about is the fact that there is no way of paying a reasonable amount for it...
As far as I can see, the minimum cost is somewhere in the region of £30 a month, and that's not reasonable.
If their (much advertised) £10 offer was actually genuine then I would have signed up at the start of the year, sadly it isn't £10 - it's £10 extra... fine if you already have Sky, but I don't watch enough TV to make that worthwhile so I don't.
£195 for a full season of, as you say, pretty good coverage - I think that's just about reasonable. It's about £2 an hour if you just watched P3+quali+race through the year.
TheDeuce said:
K50 DEL said:
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
What I do think is wrong, and will happily complain about is the fact that there is no way of paying a reasonable amount for it...
As far as I can see, the minimum cost is somewhere in the region of £30 a month, and that's not reasonable.
If their (much advertised) £10 offer was actually genuine then I would have signed up at the start of the year, sadly it isn't £10 - it's £10 extra... fine if you already have Sky, but I don't watch enough TV to make that worthwhile so I don't.
£195 for a full season of, as you say, pretty good coverage - I think that's just about reasonable. It's about £2 an hour if you just watched P3+quali+race through the year.
Plus all the other sky sport channels.
rscott said:
TheDeuce said:
K50 DEL said:
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
What I do think is wrong, and will happily complain about is the fact that there is no way of paying a reasonable amount for it...
As far as I can see, the minimum cost is somewhere in the region of £30 a month, and that's not reasonable.
If their (much advertised) £10 offer was actually genuine then I would have signed up at the start of the year, sadly it isn't £10 - it's £10 extra... fine if you already have Sky, but I don't watch enough TV to make that worthwhile so I don't.
£195 for a full season of, as you say, pretty good coverage - I think that's just about reasonable. It's about £2 an hour if you just watched P3+quali+race through the year.
Plus all the other sky sport channels.
It's a tough one for me to justify the price/value aspect - but it is nonetheless worth it for me personally. I was bought up in a no frills way t'up north, always had decade old 'new' cars in our family, and we never had SKY TV, or anything paid for if there was a 'good enough' free alternative. I remember the excitement when Channel 5 was launching, a fifth channel!?!? Our TV only had 4 presets
At the end of the day, SKY found the money to secure the rights, they made a good business decision as a business. And it's the way it is. Same as F1 choosing to lease the rights as they do, that's their business. I run a business and guess how much I sell things for? (as much as I can get). Everything is worth what you can get for it in the end - in reality, we set our own price when we give in and pay.
TheDeuce said:
rscott said:
TheDeuce said:
K50 DEL said:
TheDeuce said:
paulw123 said:
Except it wouldn’t be, would it. Why does every thread in the F1 forum seem descend into people crying about paying a few quid to watch F1?
Because those that want something for free are also those most likely bleat in public if they don't get it?As if being invited to watch a multi billion pound global racing spectacle for free is a birth right.. I get that people don't like SKY, and why. I understand it's frustrating that it used to be on the BBC and now it is behind a paywall. But we all live in a capitalist society, anyone that doesn't like that is free to emigrate. And in that society it's possible for a company like SKY to grow to the point they can afford the rights, while the BBC cannot. It's not unfair, it's just the way it is.
What I do think is wrong, and will happily complain about is the fact that there is no way of paying a reasonable amount for it...
As far as I can see, the minimum cost is somewhere in the region of £30 a month, and that's not reasonable.
If their (much advertised) £10 offer was actually genuine then I would have signed up at the start of the year, sadly it isn't £10 - it's £10 extra... fine if you already have Sky, but I don't watch enough TV to make that worthwhile so I don't.
£195 for a full season of, as you say, pretty good coverage - I think that's just about reasonable. It's about £2 an hour if you just watched P3+quali+race through the year.
Plus all the other sky sport channels.
It's a tough one for me to justify the price/value aspect - but it is nonetheless worth it for me personally. I was bought up in a no frills way t'up north, always had decade old 'new' cars in our family, and we never had SKY TV, or anything paid for if there was a 'good enough' free alternative. I remember the excitement when Channel 5 was launching, a fifth channel!?!? Our TV only had 4 presets
At the end of the day, SKY found the money to secure the rights, they made a good business decision as a business. And it's the way it is. Same as F1 choosing to lease the rights as they do, that's their business. I run a business and guess how much I sell things for? (as much as I can get). Everything is worth what you can get for it in the end - in reality, we set our own price when we give in and pay.
REALIST123 said:
Never a fan of Ted; someone in that position really needs better technical knowledge than he has but after seeing the cringeworthy performance of Chandhok in today’s ‘Chinese GP The story so far’ the sooner he’s back full time, the better.
So not until next season, if at all then. Sky have already confirmed he's doing 13 races for them this year.rscott said:
NowTv allows 2 simultaneous streams, so nothing to stop you splitting the cost and sharing the login details with someone else ...
I often flick between TV and mobile if I'm cooking when the race is on.. So I use both streams myself. also for the early morning races when I set my alarm, watch in bed until my legs function and can stagger down to the TV (hopefully having beaten Mrs. Deuce to it)!firstworldproblems
rscott said:
NowTv allows 2 simultaneous streams, so nothing to stop you splitting the cost and sharing the login details with someone else ...
That's an interesting fact that I didn't know....Anyone fancy splitting the cost? I could justify £100 a year (like another poster, I have no interest in any other content that Sky Sports broadcast so the £195 is not value for me.)
So am I the only person on ph who tunes in for the start of qually, turns off once the grid is known and then turns it back on about 10mins before the race and off again on the victory lap?
I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
DeejRC said:
So am I the only person on ph who tunes in for the start of qually, turns off once the grid is known and then turns it back on about 10mins before the race and off again on the victory lap?
I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
I used to like to watch the build up and the come down, especially during the late noughties BBC era with Jake Humphrey.I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
Bullitt Five-Oh said:
DeejRC said:
So am I the only person on ph who tunes in for the start of qually, turns off once the grid is known and then turns it back on about 10mins before the race and off again on the victory lap?
I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
I used to like to watch the build up and the come down, especially during the late noughties BBC era with Jake Humphrey.I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
Although through random circumstance I’m up this morning for China thanks to Sky 1 and my 2 year old!
DeejRC said:
So am I the only person on ph who tunes in for the start of qually, turns off once the grid is known and then turns it back on about 10mins before the race and off again on the victory lap?
I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
Might not even watch qually live and if on record, just the last 10mins.I thought that was the normal thing for GP geeks and only the numpties watched all the rest of the fluff?
Race live whenever is possible... Grid walk to podium. Then used to watch notebook later on from recording or catch up.
Never watch practice sessions. I can gauge the form off the timesheets afterwards.
Not really that interested in a lot of the other build up chat and features.
Only pay sky to have the freedom of choice if and when I watch the races live.
Sky coverage yesterday was dire, I've been to more interesting funerals, Ted's bit was fairly good, trouble was there was not a lot to say, it was a fairly mind numbing grand prix, at one point we had to turn the sound down because croft was shouting at anything trying to give it some excitement, from memory it was the overtake for last place that did it. Ted's close was a bit amateurish, he had run out of things to say and was filling time counting down.
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