The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
Deesee said:
TheDeuce said:
I find it hard to believe that they would settle for Hulk if they really wanted DR. To an extent it hardly matters what clause DR may have, no driver is impossible to buy out from their existing contract if they're willing and wanted badly enough. Although in any case, for obvious reasons it's likely he does have the Ferrari/Merc option written in.
I could think of about $25m reasons PAAlso hard for Renault to justify the option being a problem. They must have convinced him they were going to be a good choice. Refusing such an option would call in to question how confident Renault really were about their expectations for this season.
TheDeuce said:
That's fair enough. But would he exchange such a valuable option for the sake of the difference between say, 18m or 25m? In career performance and earning terms, the option is incredibly valuable.
Also hard for Renault to justify the option being a problem. They must have convinced him they were going to be a good choice. Refusing such an option would call in to question how confident Renault really were about their expectations for this season.
Not having read the full contract...Also hard for Renault to justify the option being a problem. They must have convinced him they were going to be a good choice. Refusing such an option would call in to question how confident Renault really were about their expectations for this season.
He may have an exit clause, but Renault would require some kind of compo to get a driver in. Would Ferrari pay the comp + the wages he’ll demand.
Hulk was looking for 4 mill pa, DR is on 25 mill pa..
Perhaps we will see a Seb to RB, Hulk to the Scuderia & Alonso to Renault, I think that would suit everyone?
Deesee said:
Not having read the full contract...
He may have an exit clause, but Renault would require some kind of compo to get a driver in. Would Ferrari pay the comp + the wages he’ll demand.
Hulk was looking for 4 mill pa, DR is on 25 mill pa..
Perhaps we will see a Seb to RB, Hulk to the Scuderia & Alonso to Renault, I think that would suit everyone?
I think that in the end, Ferrari would pay pretty much whatever they need to in order to get the driver they think will bring the best result - only if they had to of course, I'm not saying they would be happy about it. Just that if they really wanted a driver, they definitely could. And with the budget caps coming in and driver pay excluded, I imagine poaching will become all the more common as it will be one of the easiest advantages that the top teams can 'buy'. Christ knows what that will do to push up driver pay expectations... He may have an exit clause, but Renault would require some kind of compo to get a driver in. Would Ferrari pay the comp + the wages he’ll demand.
Hulk was looking for 4 mill pa, DR is on 25 mill pa..
Perhaps we will see a Seb to RB, Hulk to the Scuderia & Alonso to Renault, I think that would suit everyone?
I'll ignore you other suggestion - it wouldn't please me!
Deesee said:
Not having read the full contract...
He may have an exit clause, but Renault would require some kind of compo to get a driver in. Would Ferrari pay the comp + the wages he’ll demand.
Hulk was looking for 4 mill pa, DR is on 25 mill pa..
Perhaps we will see a Seb to RB, Hulk to the Scuderia & Alonso to Renault, I think that would suit everyone?
I fail to see any reason why Ferrari would take on Hulk.He may have an exit clause, but Renault would require some kind of compo to get a driver in. Would Ferrari pay the comp + the wages he’ll demand.
Hulk was looking for 4 mill pa, DR is on 25 mill pa..
Perhaps we will see a Seb to RB, Hulk to the Scuderia & Alonso to Renault, I think that would suit everyone?
just won’t go away will he 
Poppiecock said:
I fail to see any reason why Ferrari would take on Hulk.
This is the silly season thread...He’d fit well at Ferrari, finish races pick up points , and allow them to perhaps challenge for a WCC, he’s probably a better fit at red bull as his driving style (according to Dani Ric) is very similar to Max’s, and of course pilot the Newey entry in the hypercar class at Le Mans, but not a ‘red bull’ type driver, the dogs would have to go..
People being very hard on Hulkenberg on here. He’s been described as ‘distinctly average’ as if that’s not impressive. It’s important to keep some perspective- average in the current field makes him a spectacular pedaller.
I think he’s a Rosberg level driver. He would be a serious asset to any team excepting the established top three to whom he’d be a desirable driver for the second car if it weren’t for the current wealth of ascending future talents. Circumstances haven’t come to him.
People are quick to point out that Ricciardo is beating him but he hasn’t been dealt a trouncing, especially on Sundays.
I think he’s a Rosberg level driver. He would be a serious asset to any team excepting the established top three to whom he’d be a desirable driver for the second car if it weren’t for the current wealth of ascending future talents. Circumstances haven’t come to him.
People are quick to point out that Ricciardo is beating him but he hasn’t been dealt a trouncing, especially on Sundays.
HustleRussell said:
People being very hard on Hulkenberg on here. He’s been described as ‘distinctly average’ as if that’s not impressive.
He may be solid but is boring as hell. No interesting personality, no ups, no downs, super predictable driver. He cannot surprise with exceptionally good results but in the same time doesn't make spectacular mistakes. That's why probably he's perceived as average.EDIT: He rejected Haas and Williams because, as he said, he's not desperate to stay in Formula One. Good for him.
Edited by Lebo44 on Friday 20th September 18:55
HustleRussell said:
People being very hard on Hulkenberg on here. He’s been described as ‘distinctly average’ as if that’s not impressive. It’s important to keep some perspective- average in the current field makes him a spectacular pedaller.
I think he’s a Rosberg level driver. He would be a serious asset to any team excepting the established top three to whom he’d be a desirable driver for the second car if it weren’t for the current wealth of ascending future talents. Circumstances haven’t come to him.
People are quick to point out that Ricciardo is beating him but he hasn’t been dealt a trouncing, especially on Sundays.
So still the very definition of average then?! I think he’s a Rosberg level driver. He would be a serious asset to any team excepting the established top three to whom he’d be a desirable driver for the second car if it weren’t for the current wealth of ascending future talents. Circumstances haven’t come to him.
People are quick to point out that Ricciardo is beating him but he hasn’t been dealt a trouncing, especially on Sundays.
No way is he in the same level as ROS IMHO, ROS had way better results in average cars than HUL.
HustleRussell said:
People being very hard on Hulkenberg on here. He’s been described as ‘distinctly average’ as if that’s not impressive. It’s important to keep some perspective- average in the current field makes him a spectacular pedaller.
I think he’s a Rosberg level driver. He would be a serious asset to any team excepting the established top three to whom he’d be a desirable driver for the second car if it weren’t for the current wealth of ascending future talents. Circumstances haven’t come to him.
People are quick to point out that Ricciardo is beating him but he hasn’t been dealt a trouncing, especially on Sundays.
No but I don't think DR has fully settled into the car yet.I think he’s a Rosberg level driver. He would be a serious asset to any team excepting the established top three to whom he’d be a desirable driver for the second car if it weren’t for the current wealth of ascending future talents. Circumstances haven’t come to him.
People are quick to point out that Ricciardo is beating him but he hasn’t been dealt a trouncing, especially on Sundays.
Stan the Bat said:
No but I don't think DR has fully settled into the car yet.
I don't think he wants to settle in that car... It's not as good as the machinery he's been used to.He know's he's potential WDC material and needs a shot - the Renault seriously isn't the car to make that possible and the whole infrastructure behind the team does little to suggest they will invest heavily enough to make that happen.
When he was at Red Bull, DNF's excluded, his performance was approx equal to Max's, in both points and podiums. He's a very capable driver and I if an opportunity were to open up at Ferrari or Merc, I'm sure they would speak to him. Red Bull, depending on how committed they really are to Albon, might very well have already made an approach. An informal approach I'm sure, but in the search for a 2020 driver they would have to be a bit crazy not to consider the only other driver that they know suits their car philosophy and is proven at the sharp end of F1.
Big Nanas said:
Hulk to Ferrari would signal the end of them having a World Champion in the car. They've had one since the mid 90's I think?
Maybe that's just not (as) relevant any more.
I suppose a lot of casual viewers will hear vettel described as a 4 times champion and see he is a Ferrari driver, and assume he probably won some with the Ferrari team. There potentially is some PR value to having a WDC there simply for the kudos.Maybe that's just not (as) relevant any more.
But if they calculated they had a better chance of beating Mercedes with drivers that hadn't won a championship, I doubt they'd hesitate. In the end they must want the best chance to do well and get a WCC. It's been quite a while since they won one!
TheDeuce said:
Big Nanas said:
Hulk to Ferrari would signal the end of them having a World Champion in the car. They've had one since the mid 90's I think?
Maybe that's just not (as) relevant any more.
I suppose a lot of casual viewers will hear vettel described as a 4 times champion and see he is a Ferrari driver, and assume he probably won some with the Ferrari team. There potentially is some PR value to having a WDC there simply for the kudos.Maybe that's just not (as) relevant any more.
But if they calculated they had a better chance of beating Mercedes with drivers that hadn't won a championship, I doubt they'd hesitate. In the end they must want the best chance to do well and get a WCC. It's been quite a while since they won one!
Guaranteed, because it's Ferrari, that they somehow end up with Grosjean and Tatiana Calderon next year!
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