The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*
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The Ferrari 2020 engine by early bench testing seems to be a bit of a monster, new intercooler design concept, with a new Bi metal (as well as specifically 3D printed integral ICE parts). Early reports of significant gains in race trim/modes under trials, let alone K+ Quali modes.
They are looking at running 950/980 hp in race mode ( last yr circa 880/900) so Quali modes could well exceed 1150hp total output.
This year could be a show stopper if this car is Aero/Drag efficient/compliant.
They are looking at running 950/980 hp in race mode ( last yr circa 880/900) so Quali modes could well exceed 1150hp total output.
This year could be a show stopper if this car is Aero/Drag efficient/compliant.
Deesee said:
Yeh did not mention reliability (kaboom)..(aka Renault race mode)..
Joking aside, were Renault able to use quali type power modes in races at all last year? I don't recall an occasion where either driver asked or was offered extra power when fighting for points/position.I understand they were quite capable of destroying engines without the extra stress... But if they really were essentially unable to take the extra risk, then whenever it really mattered they probably had more than 100hp less than whoever they were battling.
Or, maybe they used it frequently and I just never picked up on it?
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Yeh did not mention reliability (kaboom)..(aka Renault race mode)..
Joking aside, were Renault able to use quali type power modes in races at all last year? I don't recall an occasion where either driver asked or was offered extra power when fighting for points/position.I understand they were quite capable of destroying engines without the extra stress... But if they really were essentially unable to take the extra risk, then whenever it really mattered they probably had more than 100hp less than whoever they were battling.
Or, maybe they used it frequently and I just never picked up on it?
However the Renault powered team/drivers were racing to a delta that would yield WCC points, and did not have the AERO advantage of Merc/Ferrari/RB. (If McLaren get this right there will be race victories is 2020).
I may have mentioned before that “if” Red Bull had retained Renault “Max V ” should have/been closer to a WDC shot.
Deesee said:
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Yeh did not mention reliability (kaboom)..(aka Renault race mode)..
Joking aside, were Renault able to use quali type power modes in races at all last year? I don't recall an occasion where either driver asked or was offered extra power when fighting for points/position.I understand they were quite capable of destroying engines without the extra stress... But if they really were essentially unable to take the extra risk, then whenever it really mattered they probably had more than 100hp less than whoever they were battling.
Or, maybe they used it frequently and I just never picked up on it?
However the Renault powered team/drivers were racing to a delta that would yield WCC points, and did not have the AERO advantage of Merc/Ferrari/RB. (If McLaren get this right there will be race victories is 2020).
I may have mentioned before that “if” Red Bull had retained Renault “Max V ” should have/been closer to a WDC shot.
I appreciate there are advantages to being fuel efficient at a steady and competitive race pace. But in the end even at that pace reliability has been poor - a blown up engine is always bad for pace! And they need to find better reliability for the solid race pace AND realistic reliability when they do increase the power to get certain moves done on track, otherwise they'll never mix it with the top teams. All three of whom frequently ran very high power modes for extended periods at times last year. Until Renault can manage the same... They're not in contention for race wins.
TheDeuce said:
All meaningless if they can't run the power to get the job done without imploding though. Has there been an occasion last year that they were able to run quali power levels to attack/defend a key position?
I appreciate there are advantages to being fuel efficient at a steady and competitive race pace. But in the end even at that pace reliability has been poor - a blown up engine is always bad for pace! And they need to find better reliability for the solid race pace AND realistic reliability when they do increase the power to get certain moves done on track, otherwise they'll never mix it with the top teams. All three of whom frequently ran very high power modes for extended periods at times last year. Until Renault can manage the same... They're not in contention for race wins.
Well.. dont need too they have a fuel save/weight save advantage, if they can carry 7 kg less than a midfield Ferrari powered team or 5 Kg less than a Merc midfield team, that weight save is massive on race pace.. they will find a nice gap at the front of the midfield. I appreciate there are advantages to being fuel efficient at a steady and competitive race pace. But in the end even at that pace reliability has been poor - a blown up engine is always bad for pace! And they need to find better reliability for the solid race pace AND realistic reliability when they do increase the power to get certain moves done on track, otherwise they'll never mix it with the top teams. All three of whom frequently ran very high power modes for extended periods at times last year. Until Renault can manage the same... They're not in contention for race wins.
Merc never needed to run full pace last yr (and to be fair did not need too), Ferrari did once or twice and did not have both cars finish in those races.
It might surprise, but the 2019 Merc on race mode was the lowest powered on the grid. (All be it James Allison is the master of corner performance).
If McLaren/Renault can get there aero together for 2020, they could well sneak 1 or 2..
Verstappen extends Red Bull contract to 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/51016916
2 stroke engine for F1 ?
I thought this was a joke to start with
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/f1/two-str...
I thought this was a joke to start with
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/f1/two-str...
Jinba Ittai said:
Hamilton's not going to move either. Perhaps Bottas will end up at Ferrari to replace Vettel for a couple of years until Schumacher is ready to step up from Alfa, with Russell slotting in at Mercedes in his stead.
I’d say Hamilton to Ferrari is a dead cert, replacing Vettel. They will throw money at him and I’m sure he fancies a new challenge.
Exige77 said:
2 stroke engine for F1 ?
I thought this was a joke to start with
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/f1/two-str...
A bit out of the blue, but does make some sense.I thought this was a joke to start with
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/news/f1/two-str...
Good to hear they're going to focus on the noise too - although I have no idea what these next gen two stroke ICE's sound like. It's hard not imagine it being similar to a high revving two stroke sports bike..
Did a little more reading and it turns out that Renault (car company) are quite deep in to twin stroke development, albeit using diesel. Looking on target to achieve 200bhp per litre for road cars. Maybe they might have a small benefit in terms of transferable r&d and expertise down the line.
TheDeuce said:
Did a little more reading and it turns out that Renault (car company) are quite deep in to twin stroke development, albeit using diesel. Looking on target to achieve 200bhp per litre for road cars. Maybe they might have a small benefit in terms of transferable r&d and expertise down the line.
It probably won’t be a two stroke as we know it.Maybe follow the bang each cycle principle but will have separate lubrication system, direct injection, some sort of valving and even opposed pistons on a single bore.
Lots of interesting variables.
If I remember correctly, 2 strokes were allowed in F1 in dim and distant path ?
Exige77 said:
It probably won’t be a two stroke as we know it.
Maybe follow the bang each cycle principle but will have separate lubrication system, direct injection, some sort of valving and even opposed pistons on a single bore.
Lots of interesting variables.
If I remember correctly, 2 strokes were allowed in F1 in dim and distant path ?
It would have to be pretty revolutionary (no pun...) as traditional two strokes are about as far away from an F1 engine as I can imagine!Maybe follow the bang each cycle principle but will have separate lubrication system, direct injection, some sort of valving and even opposed pistons on a single bore.
Lots of interesting variables.
If I remember correctly, 2 strokes were allowed in F1 in dim and distant path ?
Yes will be very interesting to see who gets the best results and the factors that drive those results. It will also be a truly unique type of engine, more so than the current hybrids. A thousand horsepower two stroke!?
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