The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*

[anonymous-user]

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Vettel/Hamilton swap at the end of 2020. Ferrari would be fine with Hamilton's demeanour if they got his skills at winning races and championships. Mercedes would be attracted to a German WDC in a German car.

[HighwayStar]

janesmith1950 said:

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Vettel/Hamilton swap at the end of 2020. Ferrari would be fine with Hamilton's demeanour if they got his skills at winning races and championships. Mercedes would be attracted to a German WDC in a German car.

I just don't see Lewis wanting to be there. Simply having him in the car wouldn't be enough. The whole team would have to run like clockwork, like Merc and RedBull... Ferrari just don't seem as well organised IMO. If they had competitive car I don't think anyone would be surprise at the wheels coming off at crucial period in the season. Lewis has eyes... He can see what happens at Ferrari. It's not just Vettel's head falling off now and then.

[Poppiecock]

janesmith1950 said:

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Vettel/Hamilton swap at the end of 2020. Ferrari would be fine with Hamilton's demeanour if they got his skills at winning races and championships. Mercedes would be attracted to a German WDC in a German car.

I don’t think you appreciate how much Ferrari work the drivers even on race weekends. That will never change and Hamilton just doesn’t do it.

[bobbo89]

Poppiecock said:

I don’t think Hamilton and Ferrari would work.

I’ve done some stuff with Ferrari, it’s very corporate and a good Ferrari driver has to do lots of hosting and presentations as well as be quick in the car.

Hamilton just wouldn’t fit with what is expected.

Have you just hit the nail on the head with what's wrong with Ferrari?

Perhaps if they dropped all the corporate bks and let their staff and drivers concentrate purely on winning races they might do a bit better!

Constantly making folk do corporate nonsense, that everyone hates, must be quite demoralising?

[HustleRussell]

bobbo89 said:

Poppiecock said:

I don’t think Hamilton and Ferrari would work.

I’ve done some stuff with Ferrari, it’s very corporate and a good Ferrari driver has to do lots of hosting and presentations as well as be quick in the car.

Hamilton just wouldn’t fit with what is expected.

Have you just hit the nail on the head with what's wrong with Ferrari?

Perhaps if they dropped all the corporate bks and let their staff and drivers concentrate purely on winning races they might do a bit better!

Constantly making folk do corporate nonsense, that everyone hates, must be quite demoralising?

If what Poppiecock is saying is correct, how come Kimi Raikkonen for so many years?

[Poppiecock]

Corporate bks is what funds the team!

They don’t have the backing Mercedes have from the German parent and don’t have the seemingly bottomless pockets of Red Bull drinks.

Ferrari have some very good sponsors (Philip Morris, Shell, UPS) who expect value for money, which means access to the drivers for hosting etc.

[bobbo89]

Poppiecock said:

Corporate bks is what funds the team!

They don’t have the backing Mercedes have from the German parent and don’t have the seemingly bottomless pockets of Red Bull drinks.

Ferrari have some very good sponsors (Philip Morris, Shell, UPS) who expect value for money, which means access to the drivers for hosting etc.

Suppose, could also argue they want their name and logo on a winning car!

[bobbo89]

HustleRussell said:

If what Poppiecock is saying is correct, how come Kimi Raikkonen for so many years?

Free champagne?

[Mr Pointy]

bobbo89 said:

Poppiecock said:

I don’t think Hamilton and Ferrari would work.

I’ve done some stuff with Ferrari, it’s very corporate and a good Ferrari driver has to do lots of hosting and presentations as well as be quick in the car.

Hamilton just wouldn’t fit with what is expected.

Have you just hit the nail on the head with what's wrong with Ferrari?

Perhaps if they dropped all the corporate bks and let their staff and drivers concentrate purely on winning races they might do a bit better!

Constantly making folk do corporate nonsense, that everyone hates, must be quite demoralising?

McLaren worked Hamilton like a dog when he wasn't sat in the car & he was staggered to see how little corporate crap Vettel had to do when he was winning at Red Bull. He made it a very clear condition of his contracts with Mercedes that he does limited PR & they look after him & give him freedom to do all the other stuff he wants to do outside F1: in return he gives them trophies.

He will never go to Ferrari; they simply won't allow him to lead his life as he wants to.

[Mr Pointy]

Even Horner is begining to make public noises about Gasly:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasly-results-h...

It must be embarrassing as if they dump him it's a tacit admission that the Red Bull young driver programme is a failure but if they don't then they will finish third in the WCC.

I think they should just swap Kyvat & Gasly as there's no downside & nothing to lose. Gasly's not bringing the points so Kyvat can't do any worse.

[bobbo89]

Mr Pointy said:

Even Horner is begining to make public noises about Gasly:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasly-results-h...

It must be embarrassing as if they dump him it's a tacit admission that the Red Bull young driver programme is a failure but if they don't then they will finish third in the WCC.

I think they should just swap Kyvat & Gasly as there's no downside & nothing to lose. Gasly's not bringing the points so Kyvat can't do any worse.

They have to do it, some might say that Albon should also be considered and whilst he's been impressive he's only had half a season in F1 to Kvyat's 4 and a half. They could ruin Albons F1 career by promoting him to soon and with Kvyat he'll be having his last big chance.

It would also be interesting to see how Gasly does back in the TR alongside Albon and likewise Kvyat to Verstappen, we'll then find out whether Gasly is the problem or whether it's just Verstappen being that good!

Edited by bobbo89 on Tuesday 6th August 12:12

[LaurasOtherHalf]

I think people are forgetting the massive downside to KYV as well though.

[Vaud]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think people are forgetting the massive downside to KYV as well though.

Which is?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Vaud said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think people are forgetting the massive downside to KYV as well though.

Which is?

Moving to a Red Bull who's sole direction is VER, not performing and getting the sack for a third time in his career.

[parabolica]

HustleRussell said:

bobbo89 said:

Poppiecock said:

I don’t think Hamilton and Ferrari would work.

I’ve done some stuff with Ferrari, it’s very corporate and a good Ferrari driver has to do lots of hosting and presentations as well as be quick in the car.

Hamilton just wouldn’t fit with what is expected.

Have you just hit the nail on the head with what's wrong with Ferrari?

Perhaps if they dropped all the corporate bks and let their staff and drivers concentrate purely on winning races they might do a bit better!

Constantly making folk do corporate nonsense, that everyone hates, must be quite demoralising?

If what Poppiecock is saying is correct, how come Kimi Raikkonen for so many years?

Anyone who has seen or witnessed Kimi talking at an event will know that he's a very gifted and humourous speaker - totally different attitude to how he is at the race track during race weekends.

[Poppiecock]

parabolica said:

Anyone who has seen or witnessed Kimi talking at an event will know that he's a very gifted and humourous speaker - totally different attitude to how he is at the race track during race weekends.

This!

[Mr Pointy]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Vaud said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think people are forgetting the massive downside to KYV as well though.

Which is?

Moving to a Red Bull who's sole direction is VER, not performing and getting the sack for a third time in his career.

Any driver has to take his chances when they arrive. If you offered Kyvat the RB seat he'd bite your hand off up to the neck.

How can it be good for his career to have to admit he turned down a RB drive?

[thegreenhell]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Vaud said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think people are forgetting the massive downside to KYV as well though.

Which is?

Moving to a Red Bull who's sole direction is VER, not performing and getting the sack for a third time in his career.

That could apply to any other driver, apart from the third time sacking. Any driver who goes into that second RBR seat is in for a rough ride. Whoever it is will need to be fast and mentally tough, or they will get spat out again before too long.

[StevieBee]

bobbo89 said:

Constantly making folk do corporate nonsense, that everyone hates, must be quite demoralising?

Wouldn't say it's demoralising - more a case of it being a distraction.

Different drivers have different views on this. Coulthard in his book said he quite enjoyed it and saw it as an obligation as it was their money that enabled him to do what he did.

Villenueve (Jaques) refused to do any.

Historically, it was always Philip Morris that paid the driver salaries at Ferrari and they were known for wanting their pound of flesh (other than what was coughed up from their customer's lungs! :-)

[anonymous-user]

Anyone who thinks Ferrari/Hamilton wouldn't tolerate their own commercial/lifestyle needs in return for the Pony winning a WDC, is deluded.