The Official F1 2020 silly season *contains speculation*
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TheDeuce said:
It was 'that simple' when he was considering Go Ng to Renault for a chance there. Now he has, and sadly that hasn't worked out - and the reasons at Renault are fairly fundamental for that.
So now that is known, he has a choice of no chance at WDC at either team. So why would he stay at Renault when at least at RB he can have some glory?
It would be different if there was a third option for him, but I can't see one opening up. Not unless vettel does leave at the end of this season.
Renault were never going to be challenging for titles this year, or next year. That was never the plan. So what exactly has he learnt already that he didn't already know going into it?So now that is known, he has a choice of no chance at WDC at either team. So why would he stay at Renault when at least at RB he can have some glory?
It would be different if there was a third option for him, but I can't see one opening up. Not unless vettel does leave at the end of this season.
Poppiecock said:
No reason to believe the Renault won't get their heads around the simplified engine formula in 2021.
They have been quite successful in the recent past.
Ricciardo had few options - he has been around long enough to be team leader - something Red Bull ignored in favour of their latest flavour of the month. Ricciardo knows all about this when he arrived and was quicker than Vettel.
Firstly, what do you know about the ‘simplified engine formula in 2021’- I didn’t think it had been decided yet? They have been quite successful in the recent past.
Ricciardo had few options - he has been around long enough to be team leader - something Red Bull ignored in favour of their latest flavour of the month. Ricciardo knows all about this when he arrived and was quicker than Vettel.
Secondly I think it’s pretty incorrect to suggest that the Renault F1 team’s poor performance could be resolved if they just ace the engine. The engine won races in a Red Bull and is currently roundly beating them in Mclarens...
thegreenhell said:
Renault were never going to be challenging for titles this year, or next year. That was never the plan. So what exactly has he learnt already that he didn't already know going into it?
Correct, they were never going to be challenging this year. But their plan has been (publicly stated many times) to work towards that goal and progress year on year. This year, as the rest of their competitors have moved forwards they have not - relative to their competitors they have moved backwards. Progress towards a goal isn't always smooth, I understand that, but their situation is somewhat compounded by also getting beaten by McLaren, using the same PU.What DR needs now to maintain the faith would be a reason to believe the situation will turn around, but there are multiple reasons that appears unlikely. Chief amongst which, their spending and budget is influenced in part by politicians which is never great - in some ways they have proven their initial capital funding was insufficient to repeat a top teams performance, but trying to get the tax payer to pay more after demonstrating a poor performance doesn't normally go down very well, even if overall it's the right thing to do. Not least when the taxpayer is French and the team they have helped fund is beaten by a British team...
There is also no time left to effect a turnaround for next year, the top teams have already invested and are firmly ahead, so it's all about 2021 and beyond. We don't yet know the final specs for the 2021 PU but we are told it's broadly the same as at present - an evolution. Renault are to start that process with the worst performing PU on the grid.
All in all, very difficult to see them doing anything spectacular in the next couple of years.
TheDeuce said:
Chief amongst which, their spending and budget is influenced in part by politicians which is never great - in some ways they have proven their initial capital funding was insufficient to repeat a top teams performance, but trying to get the tax payer to pay more after demonstrating a poor performance doesn't normally go down very well, even if overall it's the right thing to do. Not least when the taxpayer is French and the team they have helped fund is beaten by a British team...
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Renault is a massively profitable business, it pays a dividend to the French government..
https://www.france24.com/en/20190214-renault-profi...
Their only problem in F1 is that both Viry and Enstone are performing way below potential. I feel that can be narrowed to Cyril and Remi. Introducing talent from outside the Renault group could possibly be a better approach.
TheDeuce said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
Quite simple really, DR wants the WDC, he will never get it at RB since he is not Max.
It was 'that simple' when he was considering Go Ng to Renault for a chance there. Now he has, and sadly that hasn't worked out - and the reasons at Renault are fairly fundamental for that.So now that is known, he has a choice of no chance at WDC at either team. So why would he stay at Renault when at least at RB he can have some glory?
It would be different if there was a third option for him, but I can't see one opening up. Not unless vettel does leave at the end of this season.
If a drive in a top car opens up, he can impress at Renault if he's good enough. Alonso still managed to look good in a terrible McLaren, for example. He's in contention for that drive.
If he's at Red Bull instead of Renault, and Max keeps beating him in the championship, or simply looks faster, then when that top drive becomes available, he'll always be behind Max in the queue for that seat. The team will only consider him if, for whatever reason, they can't get Max.
To put it another way. If Ricciardo is at Renault kicking his team mate's ass, he'll be considered for that top seat. If he's at Red Bull getting his ass kicked by his team mate, the person kicking his ass will be considered for that top seat.
Edited by kiseca on Tuesday 27th August 16:42
Deesee said:
They’ve tested this year at Barcelona, Bahrain, Paul Ricard & later in the year Abu Dhabi.
Not just Spain.
All those other tracks have just two days of testing, and it's after the race has taken place. All the pre-season testing is at Barcelona. They have vastly more data for that track than any other.Not just Spain.
thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
They’ve tested this year at Barcelona, Bahrain, Paul Ricard & later in the year Abu Dhabi.
Not just Spain.
All those other tracks have just two days of testing, and it's after the race has taken place. All the pre-season testing is at Barcelona. They have vastly more data for that track than any other.Not just Spain.
I understand that Merc covered 8/9 GP distances during testing, I can’t for a minute think it was solely to dominate the Spanish GP.
A lot of the tracks we run are or have certain similarities, I’d imagine most of the data for the up coming races/ tracks is done in FP1 on prior race weekends.
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