Official 2019 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
BaronVonVaderham said:
Exige77 said:
Teddy Lop said:
People who log on to a forum and post on a thread to say they don't like it and won't watch it - are you the same people who have loud speakerphone conversations with your friends on busses and other public places?
I don’t get it either. If it’s boring why bitter coming on a discussion forum about it ?
Quite a number of people love the sport, but are bored by its current incarnation due to its poor management and rule setting.
Hence they are airing their frustration.
Grahamdub said:
Tacky as that first US gp was, I'd have rather had that yesterday than the half hearted effort there was. From all the hype leading up to it, I was expecting dancing girls, fireworks, flypasts and the marching military might of China prancing down the pit straight. Chase Carey was at Le Mans a few years ago and said he wanted to bring some of that spectacle to F1. Looks like they have a way to go yet.
To me, one of the main problem in F1 the last few years has to be the public. We have a mix of older fan which struggle to embrace modernity and rules changes and new fans who wants to see crashes at every corners and the lead change 20 times in one race. Not sure how Liberty Media can get it right. I feel certain that this year, there will be lots of better races than yesterday’s.
However, I do agree with Eric that since 2009 the 3 steps that have most damaged the sport are:-
Replacing refuelling with DRS - 2009
Introducing Pirelli tyres - 2011
Introducing hybrid PUs - 2014
This comment from Kubica makes a case for just how big these changes have been.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-no-race-...
At the end of the C4 coverage yesterday, when asked the question “what should F1 be doing for the future?” Prost was making the case for reducing technology while DC cited bring back tyre wars.
Prior to 2009, it was very clear that every driver was just out there, driving the nuts off the car - occasionally breaking it, refuelling and tyre strategies were relevant. Now we tend to have one-stop races with the drivers having to manage resources rather than just race. And budgets for the chosen few out of all proportion to what makes for good / close racing.
BTCC was facing similar oblivion and made sensible changes., Now it has huge grids and very entertaining racing.
However, I do agree with Eric that since 2009 the 3 steps that have most damaged the sport are:-
Replacing refuelling with DRS - 2009
Introducing Pirelli tyres - 2011
Introducing hybrid PUs - 2014
This comment from Kubica makes a case for just how big these changes have been.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-no-race-...
At the end of the C4 coverage yesterday, when asked the question “what should F1 be doing for the future?” Prost was making the case for reducing technology while DC cited bring back tyre wars.
Prior to 2009, it was very clear that every driver was just out there, driving the nuts off the car - occasionally breaking it, refuelling and tyre strategies were relevant. Now we tend to have one-stop races with the drivers having to manage resources rather than just race. And budgets for the chosen few out of all proportion to what makes for good / close racing.
BTCC was facing similar oblivion and made sensible changes., Now it has huge grids and very entertaining racing.
E34-3.2 said:
Grahamdub said:
Tacky as that first US gp was, I'd have rather had that yesterday than the half hearted effort there was. From all the hype leading up to it, I was expecting dancing girls, fireworks, flypasts and the marching military might of China prancing down the pit straight. Chase Carey was at Le Mans a few years ago and said he wanted to bring some of that spectacle to F1. Looks like they have a way to go yet.
To me, one of the main problem in F1 the last few years has to be the public. We have a mix of older fan which struggle to embrace modernity and rules changes and new fans who wants to see crashes at every corners and the lead change 20 times in one race. Not sure how Liberty Media can get it right. F1 is a technical sport. Like, say football, the biggest teams with the most money can attract the best talent. It always mean they’ll get it right and win everything, Ferrari/Man U or stay at the top, Mclaren/Arsenal. It is what it’s always been, what goes on between races is more important than what actually happens on race weekends.
I love the arms race, development, bringing more pace to the car. The rivalries, particularly Horner b
hing because RedBull are supposedly entitled to be winning. Max’s head falling is always good 
Will Mclaren get back to the top. Do Williams have a prayer. Will Renault ever get it together. The Vettel and CLC thing playing out at the moment plus the usual Ferrari dramas.
Of course it would be better if the other teams take on how today’s F1 car should be meant they turned up with a package equal to Mercedes but when has that ever happened in F1?
Yes some races have been boring... nothing new there. When Schumacher was in his pomp I remember one race, he disappeared into the distance... I actually switched off the tv and went out but, would I want it to be more like Indy Car? Hell no!
F1 is about the teams, engineering and the season, not the individual events IMO.
There will always be exciting races, dull races, ROFLSTOMPS (McLaren 1998?), Theatre and tragic events - but they are scenes that take place in the context of a whole year.
To judge F1 on a single race or winner is to miss the point.
There will always be exciting races, dull races, ROFLSTOMPS (McLaren 1998?), Theatre and tragic events - but they are scenes that take place in the context of a whole year.
To judge F1 on a single race or winner is to miss the point.
Eric Mc said:
DanielSan said:
Eric Mc said:
Really?
I bet it isn't.
It's the 1000th championship race, a few different journos have already gone through and checking that this weekend really was the 1000th and once you take out the none championship F1 races between Silverstone 1950 and now they've all accepted that it is. I bet it isn't.
Is it a marketing gimmick as well? Definitely but get used to that, I genuinely don't believe Liberty really know what they've bought and will keep on coming up with gimmicks until they have some clue what to actually do with it.
If they are celebrating 1,000 races since the first round of the World Drivers Championship was held, then those races should be included.
If they are celebrating 1,000 GP races held since the advent of F1, then they should be going back to at least 1948 , two years before the WDC commenced.
And, of course, we have long since surpassed 1,000 GPs as that would have started a clock ticking in 1906.
I just wanted a bit of clarity as to what they were using as the kick off point for the "1,000th" and what was being included or excluded from the listing.
another .gif version of a race
(apologies if this has already been posted)
https://gfycat.com/kaleidoscopictarthuman
(apologies if this has already been posted)
https://gfycat.com/kaleidoscopictarthuman
Edited by angrymoby on Monday 15th April 11:33
swisstoni said:
With all the green stuff now deployed on these cars I’d like to see a freeing up of tyre and fuel consumption limits.
It’s like saying ‘yes the race frittered away to nothing but look, we’ve saved enough fuel to get one of the transporters half way home.
Not sure why freeing up fuel consumption would help - teams very rarely fill the cars to capacity now anyway. It’s like saying ‘yes the race frittered away to nothing but look, we’ve saved enough fuel to get one of the transporters half way home.
BaronVonVaderham said:
It’s quite simple.
Quite a number of people love the sport, but are bored by its current incarnation due to its poor management and rule setting.
Hence they are airing their frustration.
Yep, that's more or less my situation. I used to count the days to the next F1 race and was glued to it from start to finish. Now there's no point, because I not only know how each race will end, I also know how each season will end.Quite a number of people love the sport, but are bored by its current incarnation due to its poor management and rule setting.
Hence they are airing their frustration.
I would liken the old races to listening to classical music; full of twists and turns and you never knew where it was going next, right up to the end.
Modern races are like pop music (or, to give it its correct name, pop) where you hear the first few seconds and know the rest of it is going to be exactly the same.
Vaud said:
Evangelion said:
I would liken the old races to listening to classical music; full of twists and turns and you never knew where it was going next, right up to the end.
Which era?(Someone once said to me, " It doesn't matter what you're talking about, the second the money men move in, that's when it's ruined forever.")
Evangelion said:
Pre stupid wings and pre stupid adverts, when taking part was more important than winning, and people raced for the love of it, rather than because they got paid huge sums by the sponsors.
(Someone once said to me, " It doesn't matter what you're talking about, the second the money men move in, that's when it's ruined forever.")
Were those also eras where lots of people died, many races were decided on mechanical reliability and there were massive, massive gaps in performance from the front to the rear? And lots of effective "pay drivers" because they had the cash to buy a car/fund a team?(Someone once said to me, " It doesn't matter what you're talking about, the second the money men move in, that's when it's ruined forever.")
There was some good racing, but I do worry that we sometimes have rose tinted glasses for some eras of the sport.
Paul_M3 said:
Evangelion said:
Now there's no point, because I not only know how each race will end, I also know how each season will end.
You must be making thousands of pounds off the bookmakers then? Eric Mc said:
The Vambo said:
You know what's the only thing that makes a bad situation worse?
Someone constantly reminding you how bad it is.
Do you adopt that attitude if you are served a bad meal in a restaurant?Someone constantly reminding you how bad it is.
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