Official 2019 Chinese Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[Cabinet Enforcer]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Think outside the box for Monaco...

Saturday, award 1-20 points for qualifying. 1 for last, 20 for pole.

Sunday, reverse grid. Award 1-20 points for the result, 1 for last, 20 for first.

Excellent idea, but needs spicing up a little more, how about qualifying in F1 cars for the show, then on Sunday the drivers all get a stock kart for a 20 lap race, all ballasted to the same weight. A true contest of skill.

[Angpozzuto]

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but this race is also being shown on sky one

[Vaud]

Cabinet Enforcer said:

Excellent idea, but needs spicing up a little more, how about qualifying in F1 cars for the show, then on Sunday the drivers all get a stock kart for a 20 lap race, all ballasted to the same weight. A true contest of skill.

In the 80s there were sometimes support races with single marque, standard(ish) cars with the F1 drivers (Mercedes 190?)
I'd like to see that return with a random grid for the Friday or Saturday. Teams would rotate 1 lead diver and 1 reserve driver.

Keeping the F1 races pure but providing an extra show.

[Andy S15]

Vaud said:

In the 80s there were sometimes support races with single marque, standard(ish) cars with the F1 drivers (Mercedes 190?)
I'd like to see that return with a random grid for the Friday or Saturday. Teams would rotate 1 lead diver and 1 reserve driver.

Keeping the F1 races pure but providing an extra show.

I'd love this, but I think today's modern drivers are too egotistical to voluntarily compete on a level playing field and potentially show themselves up.

[Deesee]

Cabinet Enforcer said:

Excellent idea, but needs spicing up a little more, how about qualifying in F1 cars for the show, then on Sunday the drivers all get a stock kart for a 20 lap race, all ballasted to the same weight. A true contest of skill.

Paris Masters Karting back in the 90’s.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d8XRz5s0nhE

[Gad-Westy]

Angpozzuto said:

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet but this race is also being shown on sky one

Brilliant. Thanks,

[Vaud]

Andy S15 said:

I'd love this, but I think today's modern drivers are too egotistical to voluntarily compete on a level playing field and potentially show themselves up.

Sadly that is possibly true.

The reserve/test/simulator drivers might be more willing - give them some exposure.

[E34-3.2]

Andy S15 said:

I'd love this, but I think today's modern drivers are too egotistical to voluntarily compete on a level playing field and potentially show themselves up.

The main problem is insurance. Look at what's happened to Kubica when he crashed with a rally car.

Do you remember the BMW M1 races in the early 80s? F1 drivers used to race each others on gp weekends, it turned out to be a total disaster. They crashed so much that BMW pulled the plug. Imagine if serious injuries happen in those support races. Not sure F1 teams will be happy.

[thegreenhell]

E34-3.2 said:

The main problem is insurance. Look at what's happened to Kubica when he crashed with a rally car.

Do you remember the BMW M1 races in the early 80s? F1 drivers used to race each others on gp weekends, it turned out to be a total disaster. They crashed so much that BMW pulled the plug. Imagine if serious injuries happen in those support races. Not sure F1 teams will be happy.

The Procar series ended because BMW decided to enter F1, and they couldn't do both. The problem with this sort of idea is that no manufacturer will allow their drivers to be seen driving another manufacturer's car. Even with Procar, although people tend to remember it being full of F1 drivers, there were only ever a handful of F1 drivers taking part, largely due to contract issues with their F1 partners. Ferrari and Renault didn't allow their drivers to take part, and neither did any of the Michelin teams because of the Procar's Goodyear tyres. As soon as they announced their intention to enter F1 they wouldn't have had any other F1 drivers taking part.

[tigerkoi]

gibbon said:

Eric Mc said:

Indeycars aren't designed to compete with F1. They are designed to compete with other Indycars.

The fact that F1 might be quicker and have more technical gimmicks packed into them and have the biggest head count and the biggest budgets in motorsport does not impress me one jot. Indeed, it's almost criminal that so much effort and money is put into a product that fails to impress on most occasions.

Never in the field of motor racing has so much effort been put into something that impresses so little.

Indie is a spec series, you cant compare it to F1, if you dont understand this Eric then I suggest your opinions of criminal waste in F1 really dont hold any merit.

F1 fails to impress you, so watch something else, its clearly impresses many, many others. The thing with F1 is that you have to really understand the sport to get the most from it, thats part of the enjoyment for me, its a geek sport really, and i love it.

I really don’t understand why people can’t appreciate (more) that the series are just different and have their pros and cons, and rather than straight comparison, just enjoy them for their separate merits. Maybe there’s a hint of ‘English exceptionalism’ considering the broadly Anglo-centric nature of the F1 industry, and this constant yarn that it’s the ultimate, period. But strangely enough there are lots of motor racing fans in the world and they don’t all want the same thing. Further still there are many who can appreciate good sport across different classes!

Formula 1 is great with its intricacies and intrigue. The technology progression is fascinating at times; a complete cul-de-sac at others.

Indy is a phenomenal spectator sport when witnessed at the ovals, and often many drivers get to the start line feeling there’s more of a meritocracy and anyone can win.

Aside from comparing how an Indy ports badly when considering its lap time around an F1 circuit, how about seeing how a delicate F1 car would perform next to a rage of other Indycars going into turn 1 at Charlotte. It’d be lucky to come out the other side with all four wheels still attached! Like taking an Elise to a Stock meet. It’d be hilarious.

Different games, different types of fun, and can be enjoyed by both sets of fans when seen as exclusive. Simple really.

[dunc_sx]

Cabinet Enforcer said:

Excellent idea, but needs spicing up a little more, how about qualifying in F1 cars for the show, then on Sunday the drivers all get a stock kart for a 20 lap race, all ballasted to the same weight. A true contest of skill.

Is this like when you're on a stag do and in the final you get a kart that's pulling left going to the start grid then refuses to turn right throughout the race and you loose?

Apparently equal machinery won't stop the car/kart related excuses by any means, I'd watch it though!

Dunc.

[Andy S15]

tigerkoi said:

Indy is a phenomenal spectator sport when witnessed at the ovals, and often many drivers get to the start line feeling there’s more of a meritocracy and anyone can win.

Last night I watched the highlights from last weekends Alabama race. What a fantastic looking track. You'll never see that kind of elevation change in F1. Also, no huge tarmac runoffs, just grass and gravel, and spectators closer to the action like F1 used to be. Definitely felt more soulful than the majority of F1 tracks. An entertaining half hour, very interesting to watch if even just for a bit of a comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfIZrIaYYng

[anonymous-user]

Andy S15 said:

tigerkoi said:

Indy is a phenomenal spectator sport when witnessed at the ovals, and often many drivers get to the start line feeling there’s more of a meritocracy and anyone can win.

Last night I watched the highlights from last weekends Alabama race. What a fantastic looking track. You'll never see that kind of elevation change in F1. Also, no huge tarmac runoffs, just grass and gravel, and spectators closer to the action like F1 used to be. Definitely felt more soulful than the majority of F1 tracks. An entertaining half hour, very interesting to watch if even just for a bit of a comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfIZrIaYYng

Actually there are several F1 tracks with greater elevation change. Some much greater.

Alabama has nice swoops etc but I’m not sure they actually help the racing.

Must be fun to drive though.

[HealeyV8]

For Monaco just make them use really skinny wheels and tyres. Narrows the cars and we get to see them drifting through the corners.

[rdjohn]

Something that I would like to see at Yas Marina F2 race would be to run their races on Wednesday and Thursday along with Friday’s normal FP.

On Friday morning, F1 driver and F2 team names to be drawn from a hat - be given 1- hour set up, and 1-hot lap qualifying in reverse F1 championship order for a 120km race.

It would just answer a lot of questions, here, and in the paddock and also make a great spectacle before the end of season F1 race.

As championships are usually sorted by then, it would also help viewing figures.

[Vaud]

HealeyV8 said:

For Monaco just make them use really skinny wheels and tyres. Narrows the cars and we get to see them drifting through the corners.

It doesn't work like that. Aero is too complex these days to make variants for one race.

[Deesee]

All time wins by team/drivers by race 0/100 101/199 etc..

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11684705/f...

[thegreenhell]

Deesee said:

All time wins by team/drivers by race 0/100 101/199 etc..

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11684705/f...

This is a pretty sad stat.

[tigerkoi]

What did Benjamin Disraeli apparently once say?

[Deesee]

thegreenhell said:

Deesee said:

All time wins by team/drivers by race 0/100 101/199 etc..

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11684705/f...

This is a pretty sad stat.

Compounded by the fact that it’s pretty much the turbo hybrid era...