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t driver, having reached F1 at least partially through merit. Having said that, he didn't and wasn't going to set the world on fire.
If one were being a bit mean, it could be hinted that some chips are on shoulders and the column gives them an audience.
t driver, having reached F1 at least partially through merit. Having said that, he didn't and wasn't going to set the world on fire. If one were being a bit mean, it could be hinted that some chips are on shoulders and the column gives them an audience.
On this article https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport...
He says:
There are many reasons why Mercedes have started the season so well - and been so successful since 2014.
Firstly, Lewis Hamilton himself. He's the best driver in the current field, and maybe the best Formula 1 driver ever.
He says:
There are many reasons why Mercedes have started the season so well - and been so successful since 2014.
Firstly, Lewis Hamilton himself. He's the best driver in the current field, and maybe the best Formula 1 driver ever.
Completely agree with JP on this.
Over on the Monaco GP race thread I was in the minority who didn't particularly enjoy the race. What in the way of defensive driving - deviate to from the racing line did LH do? Hardly ever.
On side note its an utter shame a driver of his calibre isn't still driving in top level international motorsports. I'd like to see him in Indycar.
Over on the Monaco GP race thread I was in the minority who didn't particularly enjoy the race. What in the way of defensive driving - deviate to from the racing line did LH do? Hardly ever.
On side note its an utter shame a driver of his calibre isn't still driving in top level international motorsports. I'd like to see him in Indycar.
keirik said:
Put hamilton in the st Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good.
Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
True, but then again... Didn't Hamilton earn a winning drive in the first place?t Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good. Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
And then from McLaren to Merc, a continuation of the same.
TheDeuce said:
True, but then again... Didn't Hamilton earn a winning drive in the first place?
And then from McLaren to Merc, a continuation of the same.
It's all about the timing. He started in F1 at good time for McLaren. If he had joined them a few years later or even now like Lando has things could have been very different.And then from McLaren to Merc, a continuation of the same.
F1 is so much about timing. There are some great youngsters signed up to currently poor teams and with the massive restrictions on testing it's hard to see a rookie ever coming in the way Lewis did.
It's yet again another reason why comparisons in F1 are so utterly pointless. I guarantee you there are drivers 99% of people have never heard of who could have won multiple WDC's with the planets aligning better for them earlier in their careers.
TheDeuce said:
keirik said:
Put hamilton in the st Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good.
Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
True, but then again... Didn't Hamilton earn a winning drive in the first place?t Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good. Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
And then from McLaren to Merc, a continuation of the same.
t car and fight from the backDeesee said:
He’s actually good on the 5 live broadcast, and a little more relevant with the technology and current team tactic than some of our other pundits.
Strange thread to knock JP like this.He won the GP2 series in 2014.
And if you listen to his commentary he does a superb job I’d go as far as to say his commentary is as insightful and descriptive as Brundle can be. Also one of the more intelligent commentators - for his relative young age doing a great job.
As for his driving he’s shown many times his class in other series but you can’t see that in F1 as the car is everything - and he never had a chance in a good car with Renault having all sorts of problems while he was with them. I think they rated his feedback to the team quite highly as well.
TheDeuce said:
keirik said:
Put hamilton in the st Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good.
Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
True, but then again... Didn't Hamilton earn a winning drive in the first place?t Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good. Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
And then from McLaren to Merc, a continuation of the same.
The token system did not help development of the non-Merc cars, or the sport itself.
Throw in almost zero in-season testing. Job done. Thanks FIA.
Edited by Bo_apex on Tuesday 28th May 22:08
keirik said:
TheDeuce said:
keirik said:
Put hamilton in the st Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good.
Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
True, but then again... Didn't Hamilton earn a winning drive in the first place?t Palmer had to drive and then say Palmer was no good. Not saying he was as good as Hamilton, as he wasn't by far, but he wasn't as bad as the drive he had made out
And then from McLaren to Merc, a continuation of the same.
t car and fight from the backHe wasn't born sponsored by McLaren, he earned that in his youth. By being better than the other kids in their eyes.
The devil said:
After reading various round ups of recent races on the BBC website by Jolyon Palmer I get the feeling that he has absolutely nothing good to say about Lewis Hamilton, he always seems to be having a go at him, can someone remind me just how successful he was in motorsport
Well the BBC have to be balanced, so its only right JP is on there to balance out the smoke Andrew Benson blows up Hamilton's arse.The devil said:
After reading various round ups of recent races on the BBC website by Jolyon Palmer I get the feeling that he has absolutely nothing good to say about Lewis Hamilton, he always seems to be having a go at him, can someone remind me just how successful he was in motorsport
After reading various posts of yours on the internet, I get the feeling that you have nothing good to say about Jolyon Palmer. Can someone remind me how successful you were in motorsport?TheDeuce said:
Think about it a little more...
He wasn't born sponsored by McLaren, he earned that in his youth. By being better than the other kids in their eyes.
People seem to forget this. He’d doe 4 or so years of karting before Mclaren started sponsoring him....so he had to show real talent to get backing and then another 6-8 years of intense pressure through his teenage years through karting and junior catagories. He wasn't born sponsored by McLaren, he earned that in his youth. By being better than the other kids in their eyes.
People make it sound so easy but it was anything but. Just look at how many kids start the red bull programme, and how many finish getting into F1..it’s ruthless
37chevy said:
People seem to forget this. He’d doe 4 or so years of karting before Mclaren started sponsoring him....so he had to show real talent to get backing and then another 6-8 years of intense pressure through his teenage years through karting and junior catagories.
People make it sound so easy but it was anything but. Just look at how many kids start the red bull programme, and how many finish getting into F1..it’s ruthless
Quite. To an extent it is 'all about the car'. So to win F1, you need to get your backside into gear early on and make damn sure you qualify (in carts upwards) for a good car. doesn't always work out, many good drivers have been unfortunate and due to circumstance ended up in a poorer car than they were due. But... Poor drivers generally don't stand much of a chance ending up in a great car. And even if a good driver is lumped with a bad car due to bad luck alone, they can still gain the required recognition by soundly thrashing their team mate in the same car.People make it sound so easy but it was anything but. Just look at how many kids start the red bull programme, and how many finish getting into F1..it’s ruthless
In Lewis's case, even if he had arrived a little later and ended up in a not so good McLaren, his relative performance would still have been tracked and I think he would still have ended up at Mercedes - he kind of was always with Mercedes, technically. Anyway, the point is that teams looking for talent don't just look at points earned or races won, they look at potential - even if it's yet to be realised with the right car.
If you start and end your career in a not so good car, chances are a lot of people have reviewed your performance with a fine toothed comb, and concluded you don't deserve one. Harsh, but it IS racing. Everyone wants the best.
Jolyon Palmer was not the best, not even close imo. When he writes about more successful drivers, I can well believe he recognises why they were better (he must do, he speaks some sense), but also must leave him a little bitter. Perhaps that's why his tone regards Lewis has been a little contradictory.
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