Fernando Alonso

[Flooble]

thegreenhell said:

He's been lapped.

Is being lapped a bigger thing in oval racing compared with F1 (not that's it not pretty bad to be so slow as to be lapped in F1, but they do seem to talk about "the lead lap" a lot more in the Oval racing)

[Mr Dendrite]

Clutch problem, extra pit stop. May not finish this....

[FourWheelDrift]

Flooble said:

thegreenhell said:

He's been lapped.

Is being lapped a bigger thing in oval racing compared with F1 (not that's it not pretty bad to be so slow as to be lapped in F1, but they do seem to talk about "the lead lap" a lot more in the Oval racing)

Nope, Jacques Villeneuve was lapped in 1995 and he won the race. It can all be managed to get back on the lead lap with pitstops and yellow flags.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Max Chilton beat him. With a Chevy engine too.


Honda won.

[ajprice]

Alonso is Sato's lucky charm , the two Indy's he's won were when Alonso was in the race, 2017 and 2020.

[glazbagun]

ajprice said:

Alonso is Sato's lucky charm , the two Indy's he's won were when Alonso was in the race, 2017 and 2020.

Sato is clearly a potential GOAT, only hampered by poor choices of team when in F1.

[ajprice]

He's happy. Finished the race and got there with a dodgy clutch.
https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/12976598747...

[WickerBill]

ajprice said:

He's happy. Finished the race and got there with a dodgy clutch.
https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/12976598747...

never on the pace all week though. clutch problem or not, hes been slow from the start when his 2 teammates were running up front most of the day.

Im just glad the 'hype' has disappeared so the commentators could concentrate on the the other 32 drivers.

[TheDeuce]

WickerBill said:

ajprice said:

He's happy. Finished the race and got there with a dodgy clutch.
https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/12976598747...

never on the pace all week though. clutch problem or not, hes been slow from the start when his 2 teammates were running up front most of the day.

Im just glad the 'hype' has disappeared so the commentators could concentrate on the the other 32 drivers.

The hype will be back to obscure whatever is actually interesting at the start of the next F1 season though

[thegreenhell]

WickerBill said:

never on the pace all week though. clutch problem or not, hes been slow from the start when his 2 teammates were running up front most of the day.

His issue is that he only ever gets in an Indycar once a year, for this race. If he's really serious about winning this thing then he needs to make an effort and do more races than just the 500. If not a full season, then at least do a few more speedway courses to get up to speed with that style of racing.

[WickerBill]

thegreenhell said:

His issue is that he only ever gets in an Indycar once a year, for this race. If he's really serious about winning this thing then he needs to make an effort and do more races than just the 500. If not a full season, then at least do a few more speedway courses to get up to speed with that style of racing.

indeed. doesnt matter how talented you are, it takes hard work and commitment to be at the front in any level of sport.

i dont know whether it shows arrogance that he thinks he can jump in and win or what.....

....lets not forget the second leg of of the triple crown was 'relatively easy', being one of only 2 hybrid cars in the race....he had a 50% chance of winning. in identical cars, its an entirely different story.

[TheDeuce]

WickerBill said:

thegreenhell said:

His issue is that he only ever gets in an Indycar once a year, for this race. If he's really serious about winning this thing then he needs to make an effort and do more races than just the 500. If not a full season, then at least do a few more speedway courses to get up to speed with that style of racing.

indeed. doesnt matter how talented you are, it takes hard work and commitment to be at the front in any level of sport.

i dont know whether it shows arrogance that he thinks he can jump in and win or what.....

....lets not forget the second leg of of the triple crown was 'relatively easy', being one of only 2 hybrid cars in the race....he had a 50% chance of winning. in identical cars, its an entirely different story.

Is he just avoiding too much of an indy commitment in order to remain available for F1?

[thegreenhell]

Apparently he's been told by Renault that he can't race anything else but F1 for the next two years now. Given that will almost certainly be his last gasp at F1, he'll be free to commit to anything he wants after that.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

WickerBill said:

indeed. doesnt matter how talented you are, it takes hard work and commitment to be at the front in any level of sport.

i dont know whether it shows arrogance that he thinks he can jump in and win or what.....

....lets not forget the second leg of of the triple crown was 'relatively easy', being one of only 2 hybrid cars in the race....he had a 50% chance of winning. in identical cars, its an entirely different story.

Arrogance, mentioned in the same sentence as alonso?

[Byker28i]

I wouldn't want him in the team. Too much history.

Remember
Crashgate 'I knew nothing,'

The 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix when Fernando Alonso took pole after holding up McLaren team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the pits so he could not get out for a final qualifying lap. After the row with Ron Dennis, Alonso retaliated wth Spygate, screwed his team over

He also insisted that McLaren make Hamilton run out of fuel in the race.

Quite a good series of reports
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46226823

[Steamer]

thegreenhell said:

Apparently he's been told by Renault that he can't race anything else but F1 for the next two years now. Given that will almost certainly be his last gasp at F1, he'll be free to commit to anything he wants after that.

Heard them mention that last night - 2 years of just F1 for Renault.. would that make him too old for Indy after that?.. as said, he might be awesome, but just dropping into Indy Car for one race title in modern times - thats a pretty big ask.

Indy car racing at the 500 looks mental!

[Kraken]

It's always tricky to make judgements on where people might finish a race like Indy based on where they are before the final laps. Sato would probably have run out of fuel and Alonso was on a different strategy from his team mates from early on which never panned out because of the clutch issues. Given the dominance of the Honda engine it's unlikely he would have done much better than O'Ward anyway even with a perfect race.

[Dr Z]

Well, I watched the Indy500 yesterday. At no point did I think an Arrow McLaren SP was going anywhere near winning, not even when one of them actually got to lead. Alonso can hardly be blamed for that.

Indy can also be a bit of a lottery (understatement) sometimes, but when they all started going for it at the end, the chevy running teams were barely able to hang on, so again, I don't think it reflects poorly on Alonso. Neither is the fact that he didn't come charging through the field, when one Alex Rossi did attempt it and ended up in the wall. I was rather glad Alonso finished the damned race in one piece.

[WickerBill]

Dr Z said:

Well, I watched the Indy500 yesterday. At no point did I think an Arrow McLaren SP was going anywhere near winning, not even when one of them actually got to lead. Alonso can hardly be blamed for that.

Winning? maybe not but O Ward started 15th and was running in the top 5-7 all race....this was his first Indy 500 in the same team and car as Alonso, Oliver Askew started 21st, lead and ran in the top 5 on pace for a good 30 laps in his first Indy 500.


Other drivers around Alonso on the grid, Power, Pagenaud, Ferruci all either lead or ran top 5.......whats Alonsos excuse? even before the clutch issue he was below the top 20 all race, and the clutch issue didnt affect him once up and running, just in the pits, with all but 1 (maybe 2) stops performed under yellow flags.

Edited by WickerBill on Monday 24th August 13:06

[Mr_Thyroid]

WickerBill said:

.....whats Alonsos excuse?

Apparently he was less competitive after his practice crash - maybe the car wasn't quite the same, maybe he lost some confidence... the latter seems unlikely for Alonso.