Official 2019 British Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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thegreenhell said:
Lewis or A.N.Other in a Mercedes have been winning every second weekend for the last six years. It's hardly newsworthy anymore, other than as a matter of record.
The cricket was a world cup final, which in itself happens only once every four years. Add to this that England won it for the first time ever, and in quite some dramatic fashion.
It's hardly a surprise which event is receiving the most headlines.
Don't they know F1 is far more important though ? The cricket was a world cup final, which in itself happens only once every four years. Add to this that England won it for the first time ever, and in quite some dramatic fashion.
It's hardly a surprise which event is receiving the most headlines.
witko999 said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
It's not terribly difficult to understand that Lewis was faster, put in the fastest lap on tyres significantly more worn than Bottas', and would very likely have overtaken Bottas on track had he not had the fortuitous SC. So, no, I don't think he did win solely on the SC although it certainly made it much easier for him.
Just seems like sour grapes on your part to me.
I think you're showing that you don't have a very balanced view of things. Just seems like sour grapes on your part to me.
Hamilton had the entire period upto the safety car to pass Bottas, and failed to do so despite numerous attempts coming close. You can't therefore just assume with certainty that he would've passed later.
I'm sure if the situations were reversed and Hamilton lost the lead due to the SC, that many on this forum would be saying Bottas only won because of the SC.
It is a little tiring to keep reading the 'Lewis was lucky with the Safety Car' comments though. The reality was he switched strategy earlier than the SC to secure a win IMHO. Passing a team mate on the track as good as Bottas was always going to be huge ask, Hamilton put the pressure on Bottas from the start who (to his credit) didn't crack and stayed ahead. Hamilton knew passing Bottas on the track wasn't on, so switched strategy when Bottas stopped on lap 17. Instead of simply following Bottas into the pits on the next lap to repeat the same Medium-Medium-Soft tyre strategy, he stayed out to try the Medium-Hard strategy. All this was before the SC incident on lap 20, Hamilton seeking to win by stopping less than his team mate, that isn't 'luck' that's reading the tyre wear on the new tarmac, that's understanding that the hard tyre will still be fast enough after 32 laps to fend off Bottas on a soft tyre, that's superb race-craft rather than luck.
I loved the audaciousness of Lewis taking fastest lap on the last lap with a well-worn set of Hard compound tyres.
If Valteri was not a little miffed at being outsmarted, yet again, that final twist of the knife must have crushed whatever celebratory mood that he had left out of him.
I think that it was showboating for the crowd, but the effect on other competitors must be daunting.
If Valteri was not a little miffed at being outsmarted, yet again, that final twist of the knife must have crushed whatever celebratory mood that he had left out of him.
I think that it was showboating for the crowd, but the effect on other competitors must be daunting.
Once Hamilton moves/retires, I think Mercedes will call it a day. Maybe not immediately, but within a year or so of that happening. No other driver carries that team/company like Lewis does. Not Vettel, not Ricciardo. They aren't getting Verstappen. Gasly is a warning sign to Red Bull that they'd be f
ked without Max.
I can see Vettel leaving F1 soon. Maybe he'll try his hand at Le Mans/WEC or another series, or maybe he'll go into management - he seems to like that kind of thing. Once he does leave, Ferrari will have a good 20 - 40 million per year (they'll definitely increase Leclerc's wages given his performance) to spend on a driver.
ked without Max.I can see Vettel leaving F1 soon. Maybe he'll try his hand at Le Mans/WEC or another series, or maybe he'll go into management - he seems to like that kind of thing. Once he does leave, Ferrari will have a good 20 - 40 million per year (they'll definitely increase Leclerc's wages given his performance) to spend on a driver.
North West Tom said:
Once Hamilton moves/retires, I think Mercedes will call it a day. Maybe not immediately, but within a year or so of that happening. No other driver carries that team/company like Lewis does.
For me, if we hear of a McLaren Mercedes engine deal I will see that as Mercedes' first step out of the door as a racing team rather than a power unit supplier. North West Tom said:
Once Hamilton moves/retires, I think Mercedes will call it a day. Maybe not immediately, but within a year or so of that happening. No other driver carries that team/company like Lewis does. Not Vettel, not Ricciardo. They aren't getting Verstappen. Gasly is a warning sign to Red Bull that they'd be fked without Max..
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. There is plenty of evidence of talent coming up through the ranks, yesterday being a prime example, and there are lots of proven drivers who on the fringes who could graduate. So long as the sport makes them more in revenue than they're spending being in it (and even if they're operating at a loss the cachet from being involved and winning has to be worth a lot in mind share) they'll no doubt continue.ked without Max..ELUSIVEJIM said:
Did anyone notice the very awkward interview with Coulthard, Webber and the two annoying Spice GIrls Geri and Mel B?
Coulthard broke away from the interview very swiftly when Mel B mentioned something about knowing him very well.
YES!!!! I was surprised no one else mentioned it. It was all a bit awkward, Mel B started saying we go way back when DC broke away swiftly. It was definitely a case of reverse thrust Mr Sulu. That anthem arrived in the nick of time. I wonder....Coulthard broke away from the interview very swiftly when Mel B mentioned something about knowing him very well.
HighwayStar said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Did anyone notice the very awkward interview with Coulthard, Webber and the two annoying Spice GIrls Geri and Mel B?
Coulthard broke away from the interview very swiftly when Mel B mentioned something about knowing him very well.
YES!!!! I was surprised no one else mentioned it. It was all a bit awkward, Mel B started saying we go way back when DC broke away swiftly. It was definitely a case of reverse thrust Mr Sulu. That anthem arrived in the nick of time. I wonder....Coulthard broke away from the interview very swiftly when Mel B mentioned something about knowing him very well.
janesmith1950 said:
My impression was that most teams planned a two stop from the start. The tyre performance, safety car period and pace advantage meant Hamilton was able to switch, whereas Bottas pitted before the safety car and hadn't therefore deviated from 'plan a'.
I think Hamilton would have switched to a one-stopper in any event and won, in which case the safety car period is a moot point.
Great race.
Agreed, the safety car came after Hamilton had decided to switch to a one-stop race, when he radioed that the tyres were good he was one-stopping. Bottas stopped on lap 17 and normally Hamilton would follow him in on the next lap whereas he was still out on his original Medium tyres when the SC incident on lap 20. Hamilton read the low tyre degradation from the new tarmac pefectly. I think Hamilton would have switched to a one-stopper in any event and won, in which case the safety car period is a moot point.
Great race.
HustleRussell said:
North West Tom said:
Once Hamilton moves/retires, I think Mercedes will call it a day. Maybe not immediately, but within a year or so of that happening. No other driver carries that team/company like Lewis does.
For me, if we hear of a McLaren Mercedes engine deal I will see that as Mercedes' first step out of the door as a racing team rather than a power unit supplier. But I just don’t believe it will happen. Toto taking the Liberty job, or something similarly dramatic, will happen first.
rdjohn said:
HustleRussell said:
North West Tom said:
Once Hamilton moves/retires, I think Mercedes will call it a day. Maybe not immediately, but within a year or so of that happening. No other driver carries that team/company like Lewis does.
For me, if we hear of a McLaren Mercedes engine deal I will see that as Mercedes' first step out of the door as a racing team rather than a power unit supplier. But I just don’t believe it will happen. Toto taking the Liberty job, or something similarly dramatic, will happen first.
Grahamdub said:
Seems a distinct lack of F1 coverage on the news today. All I have seen is cricket or tennis, no mention of Lewis' win.
Overnight viewing figures... Wimbledon: 9.6m
Cricket: 7.9m
F1: 2.5m
As much as it was a great GP, it was a unique weekend even before we knew we'd have two of the best finals seen for many, many years happening at literally the same time. Both peaked in the evening too, which is always going to have a greater impact. F1 running predominately in the summer and in the middle of the day is inherently not good for broadcasting figures.
C4 were presented with what would have been two of their biggest broadcasts of the year right on top of each other.
bobbo89 said:
zebra said:
He’s won a huge number of races without being on pole. Irrelevant.
He would have likely won easily yesterday without the safety car with Bottas needing to make a second stop.
And with that in mind, Bottas second stop would have been much harder without his ‘luck’ of Vettel and Verstappen coming together.
Just let it go.
I've got nothing to let go! Are you even reading what i'm saying? He would have likely won easily yesterday without the safety car with Bottas needing to make a second stop.
And with that in mind, Bottas second stop would have been much harder without his ‘luck’ of Vettel and Verstappen coming together.
Just let it go.
I'm completely agreeing with you that he'd likely have won anyway, just that the safety car played into his hands massively and sealed the win for him earlier and more easily.
ukaskew said:
Grahamdub said:
Seems a distinct lack of F1 coverage on the news today. All I have seen is cricket or tennis, no mention of Lewis' win.
Overnight viewing figures... Wimbledon: 9.6m
Cricket: 7.9m
F1: 2.5m
As much as it was a great GP, it was a unique weekend even before we knew we'd have two of the best finals seen for many, many years happening at literally the same time. Both peaked in the evening too, which is always going to have a greater impact. F1 running predominately in the summer and in the middle of the day is inherently not good for broadcasting figures.
C4 were presented with what would have been two of their biggest broadcasts of the year right on top of each other.
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