Official 2019 British Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
Graveworm said:
Derek Smith said:
The important thing to note is that the season is not over yet. Remember Vettel's dig dyring the slowing down lap last year, when Ferrari beat 'them' in their own country? That added a certain frisson to his defeat in Germany by Hamilton starting 15th or so.
It was not a great thing to say given the circumstances of how. "They" beat them. LH coming second from last having been punted off by Kimmi might be more noteworthy.
Derek Smith said:
To be fair, I think all teams could 'turn up the wick' for an occasional win, at least in their division. The Mercs seem to cruise after the first few laps. I do wonder how much of Bottas' poor performance is down to him switching off the engine rather than his intent. Rosberg arguably won the WDC on the strength of an engine blow up.
Most could no doubt, but it's the fact RB have done so repeatedly to a point that the car is transformed in raw speed terms, and no PU issues or shortened lifespan have resulted.Each time RB make that choice, from their point of view they're taking a sink or swim gamble. From Honda's point of view however, each time a PU is stressed for several very hot laps they get to learn a lot. Are they learning that their PU has the potential to be pushed quite a bit further in race mode..?
The Red Bull and Honda teams appear to be working very effectively together as co-conspiritors to unseat the established front runners of Mercedes and Ferrari. By my calculations, Christian Horner may even be able to resist sticking the knife in until Honda cost Red Bull a good finish when they are in a genuine championship contending position and are no longer underdogs. Who knows, that may even be a year or more?
Has Horner ever done a year without publicly attacking an engine partner? I wonder if he might start getting nosebleeds or something.
Has Horner ever done a year without publicly attacking an engine partner? I wonder if he might start getting nosebleeds or something.
exelero said:
DanielSan said:
I'm going to predict again a Merc 1-2 with LH winning and Mercedes saying all weekend how Ferrari are so fast and how they're struggling with made up problems again. Verstappen 3rd after Ferrari cock up yet again.
This year they are participating in the Netflix documentary so, I guess we will see next February or so 
Can't wait to be fairDanielSan said:
exelero said:
DanielSan said:
I'm going to predict again a Merc 1-2 with LH winning and Mercedes saying all weekend how Ferrari are so fast and how they're struggling with made up problems again. Verstappen 3rd after Ferrari cock up yet again.
This year they are participating in the Netflix documentary so, I guess we will see next February or so Can't wait to be fair
TheDeuce said:
Anniversary next year too is it not?- I went to Coys at Silverstone for the 49th or 50th when they had the original cars and drivers doing a “demonstration” run - remember one chap who had lost his left arm and his sleeve flapping in the wind while he held the wheel with his knees and changed gear with his remaining hand.TheDeuce said:
Most could no doubt, but it's the fact RB have done so repeatedly to a point that the car is transformed in raw speed terms, and no PU issues or shortened lifespan have resulted.
Each time RB make that choice, from their point of view they're taking a sink or swim gamble. From Honda's point of view however, each time a PU is stressed for several very hot laps they get to learn a lot. Are they learning that their PU has the potential to be pushed quite a bit further in race mode..?
I think because they know they aren't in the title fight this year, taking the odd race win/risking the engine for a decent result is much more palatable when they probably don't really care about using more than the allocation. Merc and (now to a lesser degree) Ferrari are keeping everything low to ensure it lasts. Remember there's still a lot of races to go, and thus plenty of opportunity for RB to run out of healthy engines.Each time RB make that choice, from their point of view they're taking a sink or swim gamble. From Honda's point of view however, each time a PU is stressed for several very hot laps they get to learn a lot. Are they learning that their PU has the potential to be pushed quite a bit further in race mode..?
Does kind of make me wonder how well a team could do by taking a fresh engine every other race and alternate banzai weekends and starting from the back while everyone else is coasting.
Andy S15 said:
TheDeuce said:
Most could no doubt, but it's the fact RB have done so repeatedly to a point that the car is transformed in raw speed terms, and no PU issues or shortened lifespan have resulted.
Each time RB make that choice, from their point of view they're taking a sink or swim gamble. From Honda's point of view however, each time a PU is stressed for several very hot laps they get to learn a lot. Are they learning that their PU has the potential to be pushed quite a bit further in race mode..?
I think because they know they aren't in the title fight this year, taking the odd race win/risking the engine for a decent result is much more palatable when they probably don't really care about using more than the allocation. Merc and (now to a lesser degree) Ferrari are keeping everything low to ensure it lasts. Remember there's still a lot of races to go, and thus plenty of opportunity for RB to run out of healthy engines.Each time RB make that choice, from their point of view they're taking a sink or swim gamble. From Honda's point of view however, each time a PU is stressed for several very hot laps they get to learn a lot. Are they learning that their PU has the potential to be pushed quite a bit further in race mode..?
TheDeuce said:
Derek Smith said:
To be fair, I think all teams could 'turn up the wick' for an occasional win, at least in their division. The Mercs seem to cruise after the first few laps. I do wonder how much of Bottas' poor performance is down to him switching off the engine rather than his intent. Rosberg arguably won the WDC on the strength of an engine blow up.
Most could no doubt, but it's the fact RB have done so repeatedly to a point that the car is transformed in raw speed terms, and no PU issues or shortened lifespan have resulted.Each time RB make that choice, from their point of view they're taking a sink or swim gamble. From Honda's point of view however, each time a PU is stressed for several very hot laps they get to learn a lot. Are they learning that their PU has the potential to be pushed quite a bit further in race mode..?
We might know at Silverstone. It's a bit heavy on engines. Austria is a bit Mickey Mouse although it served up a cracking race.
MV seemed to be having problems with temperatures at Austria. It's either a good sign that Honda can cope with a greater range, or . . .
Merc and Hamilton are playing the long game and would not be pushed into dangerous tactics, but one wonders if they might give it a go at Silverstone.
Vaud said:
Is that so much of an issue these days given the amazing mileage they put on these units?
I think the reason the engines last so long is that they have to. We moan about tyre management, but engine management is just as obvious. Cars cruise for the majority of the race. I know this has always occurred to a greater or lesser extent, but it's easy to see nowadays.Cars only seem willing to follow another for a few laps, then drop back, presumably (and I know I might well be wrong) to reduce temperatures. This includes brakes I know, but the comments over the radios tend to indicate that engine temperature is something that concerns the teams.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Anyone listen to ex team principle Mathew Carter on Missed Apex Podcast this week?
He reckons he has it on good authority that BOT is out at the end of this year. OCO in with RUS placed at Force Stroll.
I'd love to see Russell in the Merc, instead. Think he has a lot of potential. He reckons he has it on good authority that BOT is out at the end of this year. OCO in with RUS placed at Force Stroll.
janesmith1950 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Anyone listen to ex team principle Mathew Carter on Missed Apex Podcast this week?
He reckons he has it on good authority that BOT is out at the end of this year. OCO in with RUS placed at Force Stroll.
I'd love to see Russell in the Merc, instead. Think he has a lot of potential. He reckons he has it on good authority that BOT is out at the end of this year. OCO in with RUS placed at Force Stroll.
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