Official Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
coetzeeh said:
What is the lap time delta between the medium and hard? I was urprised that LEC could stay ahead of with the harder tyre after pit stops.
I think there needs to be more emphasis on how well Leclerc drove especially when he went onto the hard tyres.Hamilton was on the softer compound and was giving Leclerc it all.
Yes, some of his moves were on the limit but it would have been so easy to snatch a brake on more occasions with that tyre.
Hamilton showed how much better he is compared to Bottas. Leclerc IMO did the same with Vettel.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Graveworm said:
Did your bias completely ignore Anthony Davidson being asked the exact question before the start of the race and saying he would always want to the compromised inside line from the start because you will drop behind but comfortably get ahead on the exit from the second Rettifilo.
No because I don't have Sky F1.It's a risky route as without a compliant teammate on the inside the chances of losing your front wing would be high.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I think there needs to be more emphasis on how well Leclerc drove especially when he went onto the hard tyres.
Hamilton was on the softer compound and was giving Leclerc it all.
Yes, some of his moves were on the limit but it would have been so easy to snatch a brake on more occasions with that tyre.
Hamilton showed how much better he is compared to Bottas. Leclerc IMO did the same with Vettel.
He did, but it seems a red car in Monza is simply allowed to cut the chicane as well as drive the opposition off the track Hamilton was on the softer compound and was giving Leclerc it all.
Yes, some of his moves were on the limit but it would have been so easy to snatch a brake on more occasions with that tyre.
Hamilton showed how much better he is compared to Bottas. Leclerc IMO did the same with Vettel.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
coetzeeh said:
What is the lap time delta between the medium and hard? I was urprised that LEC could stay ahead of with the harder tyre after pit stops.
I think there needs to be more emphasis on how well Leclerc drove especially when he went onto the hard tyres.Hamilton was on the softer compound and was giving Leclerc it all.
Yes, some of his moves were on the limit but it would have been so easy to snatch a brake on more occasions with that tyre.
Hamilton showed how much better he is compared to Bottas. Leclerc IMO did the same with Vettel.
This is the single most impressive element to Leclerc's race yesterday. He brought those hard tyres in under full attack from Hamilton on the softer tyres which were up to temperature. He then survived two VSC restarts under the same conditions. Charles managed the tyres so well. Even with a Mercedes right on his gearbox, I watched him on every critical corner exit patiently squaring the car up before opening the throttle. He strategically capitalized on the positive attributes of his car in order to stay in front even though it was costing him outright lap time. The Mercedes were coming. Leclerc said "let them come".
HustleRussell said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
coetzeeh said:
What is the lap time delta between the medium and hard? I was urprised that LEC could stay ahead of with the harder tyre after pit stops.
I think there needs to be more emphasis on how well Leclerc drove especially when he went onto the hard tyres.Hamilton was on the softer compound and was giving Leclerc it all.
Yes, some of his moves were on the limit but it would have been so easy to snatch a brake on more occasions with that tyre.
Hamilton showed how much better he is compared to Bottas. Leclerc IMO did the same with Vettel.
This is the single most impressive element to Leclerc's race yesterday. He brought those hard tyres in under full attack from Hamilton on the softer tyres which were up to temperature. He then survived two VSC restarts under the same conditions. Charles managed the tyres so well. Even with a Mercedes right on his gearbox, I watched him on every critical corner exit patiently squaring the car up before opening the throttle. He strategically capitalized on the positive attributes of his car in order to stay in front even though it was costing him outright lap time. The Mercedes were coming. Leclerc said "let them come".
fine line between shoving a faster driver off the road and squeezing a gap.... particularly now that the driver behind can now place a car and then make strategic comments over the radio....
They all do it.
I for one am happier seeing a more combative approach as DRS makes the whole show a bit crap IMO. As soon as Hamilton (in this case) got under a second, I nearly gave up.... surely it was a done deal?!
Charles' driving, tyre management and obviously more powerful engine were the reasons that GP became a classic suspense filled enjoyable couple of hours and not an opportunity to have a nice nap.
They all do it.
I for one am happier seeing a more combative approach as DRS makes the whole show a bit crap IMO. As soon as Hamilton (in this case) got under a second, I nearly gave up.... surely it was a done deal?!
Charles' driving, tyre management and obviously more powerful engine were the reasons that GP became a classic suspense filled enjoyable couple of hours and not an opportunity to have a nice nap.
CustardOnChips said:
And when they get here. I'll run them off the track, weave under breaking and cut the chicane!
I'll ask the question a few have asked already in this thread, where exactly is the advantage in bouncing an F1 car over 2 speed bumps and damaging the floor, along with losing time to the car behind as a result? Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
good race. Other-worldly mature drive under insane pressure from Leclerc, in a Ferrari at Monza. at 21 years old. Only the 11th driver in F1 history to win the Italian grand prix in a Ferrari. Now where are those posters from the end of last year who said he wasn't anything special...
Vettel has to go. Mercedes reaping what they sow with giving Bottas a contract extension, he really is David Coulthard on a permanent off-day.
Fastest lap of the race by Hamilton on lap 51/53: 1 min 21.779sec
Monza race official lap record: 1min 21.046sec (R.Barrichello 2004)
Ferrari F2004 still over 7 tenths faster than the 2019 Mercedes on soft slicks, minimal fuel onboard and Hamilton going for it with the wick turned up... not bad for a 15-year-old F1 car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpDqs9ljSqg
Vettel has to go. Mercedes reaping what they sow with giving Bottas a contract extension, he really is David Coulthard on a permanent off-day.
Fastest lap of the race by Hamilton on lap 51/53: 1 min 21.779sec
Monza race official lap record: 1min 21.046sec (R.Barrichello 2004)
Ferrari F2004 still over 7 tenths faster than the 2019 Mercedes on soft slicks, minimal fuel onboard and Hamilton going for it with the wick turned up... not bad for a 15-year-old F1 car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpDqs9ljSqg
E34-3.2 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
I'm not talking about putting Max in the 2nd merc but they could have easily said to Russell (EVEN THOUGH LEWIS DOESN'T WANT IT)
So, Lewis told you so? Especially after one of them beat him yesterday.
(I know the Criminal is suggesting that Hamilton wouldn’t want a subservient teammate but the evidence is that he’s quite happy with that situation.)
DanielSan said:
I'll ask the question a few have asked already in this thread, where exactly is the advantage in bouncing an F1 car over 2 speed bumps and damaging the floor, along with losing time to the car behind as a result?
Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
Because he should have gone through the polystyrene bollards and lost a LOT more time as Lewis did to Bottas.....Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
REALIST123 said:
I think it’s pretty clear that Hamilton is happy with the ‘wingman’ and that he wouldn’t want any of the young up and comers in a Mercedes yet.
Especially after one of them beat him yesterday.
(I know the Criminal is suggesting that Hamilton wouldn’t want a subservient teammate but the evidence is that he’s quite happy with that situation.)
I think it’s likely Hamilton doesn’t actively want someone very fast, but he’s also likely to be open ands not actively block them coming, like some do. Especially after one of them beat him yesterday.
(I know the Criminal is suggesting that Hamilton wouldn’t want a subservient teammate but the evidence is that he’s quite happy with that situation.)
However the Russell comment is just ‘what if’. He could be useless in the car, and just be another Gasly. Unless you’re someone like Max very few will get the chance to jump from an unknown place to a top team immediately. Russell we have no idea about, and there is always a risk with promoting too fast (Toto has commented on this before).
Jasandjules said:
coetzeeh said:
What is the lap time delta between the medium and hard? I was urprised that LEC could stay ahead of with the harder tyre after pit stops.
IIRC it was about 0.4s but may have totally mis-remembered. Stonking drive by Charles though, knew he couldn’t make any big mistakes
REALIST123 said:
E34-3.2 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
I'm not talking about putting Max in the 2nd merc but they could have easily said to Russell (EVEN THOUGH LEWIS DOESN'T WANT IT)
So, Lewis told you so? Especially after one of them beat him yesterday.
(I know the Criminal is suggesting that Hamilton wouldn’t want a subservient teammate but the evidence is that he’s quite happy with that situation.)
Let’s be honest here, who would? We’ve all seen the effect it had on Alonso and Vettel when young, hungry drivers come into a team....and it’s why schumacher always had number 1 status.
37chevy said:
Lap delta at monza is much lower than other tracks because of the amount of straights. Made sense for Ferrari to be on hards because even with the extra grip coming out of Parabolica yeh Ferrari had so much grunt it negated any advantage of the medium on the Mercedes.
Stonking drive by Charles though, knew he couldn’t make any big mistakes
I don't think the Ferrari would have won if they had changed to mediums. They basically had no choice but to put Leclerc on hard tyres and hope.Stonking drive by Charles though, knew he couldn’t make any big mistakes
Leclerc was on the radio when Hamilton pitted stating his rears were just about gone so did well not to get done with the undercut.
Jasandjules said:
DanielSan said:
I'll ask the question a few have asked already in this thread, where exactly is the advantage in bouncing an F1 car over 2 speed bumps and damaging the floor, along with losing time to the car behind as a result?
Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
Because he should have gone through the polystyrene bollards and lost a LOT more time as Lewis did to Bottas.....Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I don't think the Ferrari would have won if they had changed to mediums. They basically had no choice but to put Leclerc on hard tyres and hope.
Leclerc was on the radio when Hamilton pitted stating his rears were just about gone so did well not to get done with the undercut.
No doubt it’s the only tyre they could use...what I’m saying is the tyre offset was so low, their pace advantage in a straight line negated any advantage of the mediums in a corner Leclerc was on the radio when Hamilton pitted stating his rears were just about gone so did well not to get done with the undercut.
37chevy said:
No doubt it’s the only tyre they could use...what I’m saying is the tyre offset was so low, their pace advantage in a straight line negated any advantage of the mediums in a corner
Yes, the pace in a straight line was impressive.The start showed that when Hamilton got the jump but Leclerc was able to get ahead.
Must say Hamilton's clutch/start issues are a thing of the past but it looked strange with his hand in that position.
DanielSan said:
I'll ask the question a few have asked already in this thread, where exactly is the advantage in bouncing an F1 car over 2 speed bumps and damaging the floor, along with losing time to the car behind as a result?
Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
The advantage was he kept his position. Fans were complaining after Canada that the drivers should just be allowed to race, now that's happening people are still moaning about it because they aren't seeing the result they wanted to see.
Running another driver off the track is not racing. Neither is leaving the track limits.
I hope Lewis hangs Max or Charles out to dry soon, ending their race. There will be some on her calling for his head on a spike.
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