Official Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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paulguitar said:
I am not sure it has done anything there. Drivers were well protected before in upside down accidents by the structure under the airbox
The roll over hoop is designed to protect the driver when rolled over & upside down on a flat surface ...not whilst upside down on tyrewalls, armco, catch fencing or fence postsThe Halo is designed to stop large objects penetrating the cockpit
It's done its job
Interesting comment from Jack Aitken (F2 driver)
https://twitter.com/JaitkenRacer/status/1170268511...
He suggests the kerb either broke or was damaged beforehand.
https://twitter.com/JaitkenRacer/status/1170268511...
He suggests the kerb either broke or was damaged beforehand.
angrymoby said:
paulguitar said:
I am not sure it has done anything there. Drivers were well protected before in upside down accidents by the structure under the airbox
The roll over hoop is designed to protect the driver when rolled over & upside down on a flat surface ...not whilst upside down on tyrewalls, armco, catch fencing or fence postsThe Halo is designed to stop large objects penetrating the cockpit
It's done its job
Important document..
Everyone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
Everyone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
paulguitar said:
angrymoby said:
paulguitar said:
I am not sure it has done anything there. Drivers were well protected before in upside down accidents by the structure under the airbox
The roll over hoop is designed to protect the driver when rolled over & upside down on a flat surface ...not whilst upside down on tyrewalls, armco, catch fencing or fence postsThe Halo is designed to stop large objects penetrating the cockpit
It's done its job
Deesee said:
Important document..
Everyone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
Sensible but like you say could really affect some teams and driversEveryone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
37chevy said:
Deesee said:
Important document..
Everyone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
Sensible but like you say could really affect some teams and driversEveryone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
Saw the F3 accident now and posting here for someone to explain what causes the car to flip. like that? I can only make out what looks like a lowish curb which, had I not seen the clip, I’d assume could only cause the car to ground or get knocked off course etc, not fly through the air like that. Sorry to be ignorant, but what makes that happen?
Fire99 said:
37chevy said:
Deesee said:
Important document..
Everyone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
Sensible but like you say could really affect some teams and driversEveryone’s Quali prep laps were in excess of this time... any teams struggling to get the tyres in the window now have a double blow.
Ferrari in particular were well north of 1.50 to 1.57 Merc were 1.47 to 1.49.
This will stop teams looking to tow, and teams lottering on the high speed run to parabolica..
FP2 now a waste of time (quali sims)..
(Not to mention the extra fuel they will need to carry, and battery useage in the out lap)..
gl20 said:
Saw the F3 accident now and posting here for someone to explain what causes the car to flip. like that? I can only make out what looks like a lowish curb which, had I not seen the clip, I’d assume could only cause the car to ground or get knocked off course etc, not fly through the air like that. Sorry to be ignorant, but what makes that happen?
Presume leading edge of the floor caught it which is what caused such a dramatic launch. Once airborne the car doesn’t mind which way up it is!HustleRussell said:
Presume leading edge of the floor caught it which is what caused such a dramatic launch. Once airborne the car doesn’t mind which way up it is!
Ok - thanks. Just goes to show the forces at play. Agree with other posts on here. Bring back gravel (although I vaguely remember the reason they got rid of it was saloon class cars were more likely to flip if they hit it?)
JonChalk said:
Yep - I'm a convert. Hated it at first. Still hate the look, but massively outweighed by several incidents at all levels where it cannot possibly have made things worse and almost certainly reduced injury severity / likelihood.
Frankly, I stopped noticing the halo partway through the first race it was used in. We've had far uglier things in F1 before now - 2009's super-wide front wings, narrow rear wings, and stupid wheel covers spring to mind.
JonChalk said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
paulguitar said:
I am not sure it has done anything there. Drivers were well protected before in upside down accidents by the structure under the airbox, the Halo was primarily introduced to help deflect external debris such as a tyre or piece of bodywork.
Sadly Jules Bianchi would not have been saved by the halo, his injury was due to the deceleration involved in the impact in his crash.
Seems to me every time a car gets airborne now there is a slew of comments stating the halo saved all and sundry, it is simply not the case.
He landed upside down on the tyre wall - maybe you'd like to sit in the car while we recreate it without a halo.Sadly Jules Bianchi would not have been saved by the halo, his injury was due to the deceleration involved in the impact in his crash.
Seems to me every time a car gets airborne now there is a slew of comments stating the halo saved all and sundry, it is simply not the case.
edit: I'm pretty certain I can guess what his answer will be.
Marcia said:
oobster said:
That could easily have been horrific.
I read this morning that Correa is now in London and in a bad way, Acute Respiratory Failure. Hope he recovers.
In other developments, I see Sky has that a
hole Rosberg on screen this weekend. MUTE!!!!
Agreed! He's a complete tI read this morning that Correa is now in London and in a bad way, Acute Respiratory Failure. Hope he recovers.
In other developments, I see Sky has that a
hole Rosberg on screen this weekend. MUTE!!!! tHe’s intelligent, articulate, he’s been there and done and done it recently too. What else could we ask for?
slipstream 1985 said:
random thought. To stop track limits without dangerous kerbs. sprinklers keeping the outside wet without it reaching the track
Qualifying is simple as they can just delete your time.The race is more difficult.
Perhaps deactivating the DRS would stop driver exceeding the limits but obviously this would be void in a wet race.
A system that cuts the car's performance for 5 seconds?
Depends if something could be activated when this happens so it's automatic.
IMO gravel traps on slow and exiting fast corners would be the best. Into a fast corner might make it too dangerous with the car rolling if it went sideways.
But something needs to change.
IMO the Spa incident shows that cars still being able to do racing speeds off the track isn't very safe.
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