NetFlix Drive to Survive season 2 (2019)

[faa77]

kiseca said:

Christian thinks Dan was running away from a fight with Max. I think he's right that Dan ran from a fight, but wrong about who Dan felt that fight was with.

The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...

I think CH didn't realise how bias he is towards Max. Yes Ric wants to battle Max, but not with the entire team supporting Max.

[Stan the Bat]

faa77 said:

kiseca said:

Christian thinks Dan was running away from a fight with Max. I think he's right that Dan ran from a fight, but wrong about who Dan felt that fight was with.

The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...

I think CH didn't realise how bias he is towards Max. Yes Ric wants to battle Max, but not with the entire team supporting Max.

[S1KRR]

OlonMusky said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Finally watched the williams episode last night, I’d only echo the thoughts that Claire Williams is at best naive and out of her depth, at worst...

We’ve seen plenty examples of her ineptitude over the last few seasons, her attitude to PL in the garage at barcelona was quite telling but you could give many more examples of how she’s destroying the team. She’s got a sloppy attitude and it breads sloppy behaviour in the team.

The woman can’t even get a decent haircut for goodness sake.

There's something about her, I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's those exaggerated Hyacinth Bucket like facial expressions?

If you want to know what it is. It was personified when they were playing Scalextric. She's become the Drivers "mum"

Walking around the place talking to people nailing the car together And she wants to be the staff's "older sister" or "mate" rather than their leader. And as above she's in danger of Williams becoming a museum to past glories.

I work with a guy whose not my manager, but manages staff I interact with daily. He NEVER disciplines them or pulls them up when they fall short. Sure he has great connection with his staff, they probably have a great laugh. But they get away with bloody murder. And it's frustrating since it slows everyones day down.

There's no authority to CW. Williams ironically NEED a Horner to come in and take the team forward in a more focused way. They need to spend a LOT to close the gap. There's almost certainly brilliant people working there. But they are un-coordinated.

Problem is, whose available?

[Nampahc Niloc]

S1KRR said:

OlonMusky said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Finally watched the williams episode last night, I’d only echo the thoughts that Claire Williams is at best naive and out of her depth, at worst...

We’ve seen plenty examples of her ineptitude over the last few seasons, her attitude to PL in the garage at barcelona was quite telling but you could give many more examples of how she’s destroying the team. She’s got a sloppy attitude and it breads sloppy behaviour in the team.

The woman can’t even get a decent haircut for goodness sake.

There's something about her, I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's those exaggerated Hyacinth Bucket like facial expressions?

If you want to know what it is. It was personified when they were playing Scalextric. She's become the Drivers "mum"

Walking around the place talking to people nailing the car together And she wants to be the staff's "older sister" or "mate" rather than their leader. And as above she's in danger of Williams becoming a museum to past glories.

I work with a guy whose not my manager, but manages staff I interact with daily. He NEVER disciplines them or pulls them up when they fall short. Sure he has great connection with his staff, they probably have a great laugh. But they get away with bloody murder. And it's frustrating since it slows everyones day down.

There's no authority to CW. Williams ironically NEED a Horner to come in and take the team forward in a more focused way. They need to spend a LOT to close the gap. There's almost certainly brilliant people working there. But they are un-coordinated.

Problem is, whose available?

Everyone is assuming that because we don’t see her discipline anyone on the show then she’s not doing it at all. However we have no idea what goes on behind close doors. Do it in public (ie in front of the cameras) and you run the risk of humiliating someone, and there’s no coming back from that.

Of course she might not be doing it off camera either, but my point is we should take it all with a pinch of salt.

[coldel]

I think the only moment we saw CW come close to putting her foot down was with Lowe and the unfinished car, she stood in the garage and blanked him. Again I think this is the wrong thing to do, if she has serious issues with him then the priority when arriving would have been to get the guy into an office and have it out. Or the proper way to have handled it is to have had regular update meetings with Lowe, realised the car wasn't going to make it, prepared your contingency and set Lowes expectations as to how long he can expect to remain an employee and have that open conversation. It shouldn't be coming to a head in a garage with other people about and an awkward Lowe shuffling about.

[OlonMusky]

S1KRR said:

I work with a guy whose not my manager, but manages staff I interact with daily. He NEVER disciplines them or pulls them up when they fall short. Sure he has great connection with his staff, they probably have a great laugh. But they get away with bloody murder. And it's frustrating since it slows everyones day down.

This unfortunately is very much the default mode of operation in many big corporations, especially those which are too big to fail and whatever happens they will keep floating. And those who are against it are seen as troublemakers stuck in the old bigoted days. Maybe she doesn't want to be part of the old world, run by men - as this seems to be a bit of a theme with her too (not based on the Netflix series but rather based on the years she's been active in F1).

[Cyder]

coldel said:

I think the only moment we saw CW come close to putting her foot down was with Lowe and the unfinished car, she stood in the garage and blanked him. Again I think this is the wrong thing to do, if she has serious issues with him then the priority when arriving would have been to get the guy into an office and have it out. Or the proper way to have handled it is to have had regular update meetings with Lowe, realised the car wasn't going to make it, prepared your contingency and set Lowes expectations as to how long he can expect to remain an employee and have that open conversation. It shouldn't be coming to a head in a garage with other people about and an awkward Lowe shuffling about.

I can’t believe that as an organisation they didn’t have regular gateway progress meetings with concerns being reported in to upper management.

There can surely be no way she didn’t know what was going on can there?!

[Nampahc Niloc]

Cyder said:

coldel said:

I think the only moment we saw CW come close to putting her foot down was with Lowe and the unfinished car, she stood in the garage and blanked him. Again I think this is the wrong thing to do, if she has serious issues with him then the priority when arriving would have been to get the guy into an office and have it out. Or the proper way to have handled it is to have had regular update meetings with Lowe, realised the car wasn't going to make it, prepared your contingency and set Lowes expectations as to how long he can expect to remain an employee and have that open conversation. It shouldn't be coming to a head in a garage with other people about and an awkward Lowe shuffling about.

I can’t believe that as an organisation they didn’t have regular gateway progress meetings with concerns being reported in to upper management.

There can surely be no way she didn’t know what was going on can there?!

I don’t understand why everyone is judging CW for not getting angry enough. We have no idea what she did behind camera. In my opinion publicly admonishing someone isn’t just unprofessional it’s also very poor leadership. Maybe she was no different behind the scenes. We don’t know. I for one however respect her for not going all Gunther Steiner in front of the cameras for the whole world to see. Public shaming is very poor leadership.

Oh and also: “ gateway progress meetings” - good bit of management speak bks.

[rdjohn]

Hard to explain why, but I did not think season 2 was as good as one. But I am very pleased that someone has committed to giving the lower teams a high level of exposure, regardless of their current position in the pecking order.

I hope there is a season 3.

[TheDeuce]

rdjohn said:

Hard to explain why, but I did not think season 2 was as good as one. But I am very pleased that someone has committed to giving the lower teams a high level of exposure, regardless of their current position in the pecking order.

I hope there is a season 3.

They had already begun filming this season. Then, I assume, stopped due to CV.. god knows what they're able to do now with the new 'team bubbles' limitations. My guess is they'll be cracking on somehow though.

[Cyder]

Nampahc Niloc said:

Cyder said:

coldel said:

I think the only moment we saw CW come close to putting her foot down was with Lowe and the unfinished car, she stood in the garage and blanked him. Again I think this is the wrong thing to do, if she has serious issues with him then the priority when arriving would have been to get the guy into an office and have it out. Or the proper way to have handled it is to have had regular update meetings with Lowe, realised the car wasn't going to make it, prepared your contingency and set Lowes expectations as to how long he can expect to remain an employee and have that open conversation. It shouldn't be coming to a head in a garage with other people about and an awkward Lowe shuffling about.

I can’t believe that as an organisation they didn’t have regular gateway progress meetings with concerns being reported in to upper management.

There can surely be no way she didn’t know what was going on can there?!

I don’t understand why everyone is judging CW for not getting angry enough. We have no idea what she did behind camera. In my opinion publicly admonishing someone isn’t just unprofessional it’s also very poor leadership. Maybe she was no different behind the scenes. We don’t know. I for one however respect her for not going all Gunther Steiner in front of the cameras for the whole world to see. Public shaming is very poor leadership.

Oh and also: “ gateway progress meetings” - good bit of management speak bks.

I do agree with you on the first point, but it was the surprised 'how did we end up here?' comment that she made that seemed like she wasn't paying attention.

Regarding the 'gateway progress meetings', what do you propose it to be called?
It's common in engineering project management to have a timing plan which has key milestones/gateways that need to be hit to keep a project on plan. At each one you have a progress meeting/review.
I would have expected the problems to have been known and raised before they started bolting the thing together. (maybe they were, who knows).