The Official Japanese GP 2019 **Spoilers**
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DJFish said:
Half-watched the race as I stupidly looked at the BBC news this morning.
I thought the podium celebrations seemed a bit muted...
I went to Mercedes Benz World this morning. There was a show at Brooklands and the coffee's better at MBW. I thought that it would be difficult to avoid the race, what with all their TVs on show, but I didn't have the result spoiled for me. I was told that Merc were WCC, but I hadn't paid enough attention to the points for it to limit the probably results, apart from one Merc doing well. I thought the podium celebrations seemed a bit muted...
That said, I thought that the race was over by the end of lap 1. It was clearly going to be a Merc 1-2. The splitting of strategy made it a bit doubtful, but still odds on. I think Wolff decided to bring LH in just to irritate me.
Newscuttlepanel said:
I’d say Mercedes strategy calls were probably made with the goal of ensuring Bottas scored maximum points to secure 2nd in the Championship today, rather than a potentially risky Merc/Merc battle for the win.
Hopefully now they have the WCC and the WDC confirmed (only a Merc driver can win it) they'll give the free rein to race for the rest of the season.,
rscott said:
Newscuttlepanel said:
I’d say Mercedes strategy calls were probably made with the goal of ensuring Bottas scored maximum points to secure 2nd in the Championship today, rather than a potentially risky Merc/Merc battle for the win.
Hopefully now they have the WCC and the WDC confirmed (only a Merc driver can win it) they'll give the free rein to race for the rest of the season.,One of the things that fascinates me about F1 is that it is sport as a business taken to the Nth degree: hundreds of people, (at least) tens of millions of pounds to put 2 people in 2 cars for less than half the weekends in the year.
Today was all about that: Mercedes sewing up the Constructors' championship, and the prize money that entails. The kitchen, sofa and car salespeople of MK will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Well done Mercedes, and thanks for all the cash!
Today was all about that: Mercedes sewing up the Constructors' championship, and the prize money that entails. The kitchen, sofa and car salespeople of MK will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Well done Mercedes, and thanks for all the cash!
Since we have all reached a point of complete disagreement about what Mercedes did and why, I'm bringing this back full circle to steak night...
No cote de boeuf at the butchers so made do with an inch thick slab of sirloin.
Too tired and frankly too many beers to bother rotating and re-saving the images - tilt your head 90 degrees instead
Bloody good Sunday overall though, and yet another race that was worth watching throughout.
No cote de boeuf at the butchers so made do with an inch thick slab of sirloin.
Too tired and frankly too many beers to bother rotating and re-saving the images - tilt your head 90 degrees instead
Bloody good Sunday overall though, and yet another race that was worth watching throughout.
thegreenhell said:
jm doc said:
There is a clue in the name. It's called racing.
And their strategy not only deliberately favoured Hamilton's only title rival, it also lost him more points by letting Vettel take second place. In addition it cost the team points as they lost out on a 1-2. Just completely indefensible.
It's easily defensible. It's just some Hamilton fanatics seem upset that he wasn't gifted a win that he didn't deserve on the day.And their strategy not only deliberately favoured Hamilton's only title rival, it also lost him more points by letting Vettel take second place. In addition it cost the team points as they lost out on a 1-2. Just completely indefensible.
Mercedes cost Hamilton points in the drivers championship today and cost themselves points in the constructors championship and offered the flimsiest of excuses. It was only Hamilton claiming the fastest lap point that won the title today for them. There's gratitude for you!
Europa1 said:
One of the things that fascinates me about F1 is that it is sport as a business taken to the Nth degree: hundreds of people, (at least) tens of millions of pounds to put 2 people in 2 cars for less than half the weekends in the year.
Today was all about that: Mercedes sewing up the Constructors' championship, and the prize money that entails. The kitchen, sofa and car salespeople of MK will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Well done Mercedes, and thanks for all the cash!
When they were waiting for podium ceremony to start, I'm sure the cameras caught a group of Mercedes mechanics cheerily discussing having another ten grand in the bank, presumably their individual championship bonuses from the team.Today was all about that: Mercedes sewing up the Constructors' championship, and the prize money that entails. The kitchen, sofa and car salespeople of MK will be rubbing their hands with glee.
Well done Mercedes, and thanks for all the cash!
Mercedes Benz AMG Petronas F1 Team, now the most successful run in F1 history. Quite a feat to witness, did anyone think the Ferrari/Schumacher pomp would be beaten in their lifetime?
A huge congratulations to not just HAM,BOT and ROS but Wolf, Bono, Allison, Lowe, Vowes and obviously the hundreds we don't see every other weekend. Plus the dearly departed Nikki, the red star is a fitting tribute.
It has been and continues to be, an utter pleasure to watch.
A huge congratulations to not just HAM,BOT and ROS but Wolf, Bono, Allison, Lowe, Vowes and obviously the hundreds we don't see every other weekend. Plus the dearly departed Nikki, the red star is a fitting tribute.
It has been and continues to be, an utter pleasure to watch.
thegreenhell said:
When they were waiting for podium ceremony to start, I'm sure the cameras caught a group of Mercedes mechanics cheerily discussing having another ten grand in the bank, presumably their individual championship bonuses from the team.
I had this figure in my mind too, do they all still get £10k each? Quite the bonus for those that have been there for the last 6 years.LaurasOtherHalf said:
Mercedes Benz AMG Petronas F1 Team, now the most successful run in F1 history. Quite a feat to witness, did anyone think the Ferrari/Schumacher pomp would be beaten in their lifetime?
A huge congratulations to not just HAM,BOT and ROS but Wolf, Bono, Allison, Lowe, Vowes and obviously the hundreds we don't see every other weekend. Plus the dearly departed Nikki, the red star is a fitting tribute.
It has been and continues to be, an utter pleasure to watch.
Agree completely. And also a very real chance of extending it next season.A huge congratulations to not just HAM,BOT and ROS but Wolf, Bono, Allison, Lowe, Vowes and obviously the hundreds we don't see every other weekend. Plus the dearly departed Nikki, the red star is a fitting tribute.
It has been and continues to be, an utter pleasure to watch.
Interesting point about the Ferrari Schumacher era. Looking forwards beyond 2021, it's clear liberty want less dominance and closer potential amongst teams - so long as that's the direction then the idea of staying at the top for 6 or 7 consecutive years could be something of a pipe dream. The Mercedes record could stand for a very long time. The possibility of a top WCC also having such a decorated multi WDC for the journey, also smashing records is also unlikely to reoccur anytime soon. Realistically, we could be talking decades if at all, given that it would take nearly an entire decade just to equal what Mercedes will have achieved...
It's fair to say Mercedes have truly capitalised on their F1 participation. They could leave the sport end of 2020 and still be the ones to beat for at very least 7 years. Not bad!!
Only just caught up with it all. Lot of things dont make sense!
Merc dumping a nailed on 1-2 for why? Answers on a postcard.
Sebs jump start. I thought the sensor that detects a jumpstart also is the evidence, so investigation to penalisation is a formality, as in pit lane speeding, it did or it didn't happen.
Race TV editor needs to be shot and someone who likes and understands racing do his do. We predicted and followed many of the overtakes just paying attention to the sidebar and were discussing them before the spaz caught up. This is utterly f
king pathetic.
Watching max crashstappen complain about a bit of rough handing was funny. Pots and kettles much!!??!!
Merc dumping a nailed on 1-2 for why? Answers on a postcard.
Sebs jump start. I thought the sensor that detects a jumpstart also is the evidence, so investigation to penalisation is a formality, as in pit lane speeding, it did or it didn't happen.
Race TV editor needs to be shot and someone who likes and understands racing do his do. We predicted and followed many of the overtakes just paying attention to the sidebar and were discussing them before the spaz caught up. This is utterly f
king pathetic. Watching max crashstappen complain about a bit of rough handing was funny. Pots and kettles much!!??!!
TheDeuce said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Mercedes Benz AMG Petronas F1 Team, now the most successful run in F1 history. Quite a feat to witness, did anyone think the Ferrari/Schumacher pomp would be beaten in their lifetime?
A huge congratulations to not just HAM,BOT and ROS but Wolf, Bono, Allison, Lowe, Vowes and obviously the hundreds we don't see every other weekend. Plus the dearly departed Nikki, the red star is a fitting tribute.
It has been and continues to be, an utter pleasure to watch.
Agree completely. And also a very real chance of extending it next season.A huge congratulations to not just HAM,BOT and ROS but Wolf, Bono, Allison, Lowe, Vowes and obviously the hundreds we don't see every other weekend. Plus the dearly departed Nikki, the red star is a fitting tribute.
It has been and continues to be, an utter pleasure to watch.
Interesting point about the Ferrari Schumacher era. Looking forwards beyond 2021, it's clear liberty want less dominance and closer potential amongst teams - so long as that's the direction then the idea of staying at the top for 6 or 7 consecutive years could be something of a pipe dream. The Mercedes record could stand for a very long time. The possibility of a top WCC also having such a decorated multi WDC for the journey, also smashing records is also unlikely to reoccur anytime soon. Realistically, we could be talking decades if at all, given that it would take nearly an entire decade just to equal what Mercedes will have achieved...
It's fair to say Mercedes have truly capitalised on their F1 participation. They could leave the sport end of 2020 and still be the ones to beat for at very least 7 years. Not bad!!
I get your point of view but an F1 team is such a complex entity it's impossible for a governing body to try and control it.
If I were to put a fiver (I don't gamble but) on next year's WCC, I'd say Ferrari over Mercedes now. Can Mercedes really keep up their development to get HAM equal with SCH? I still think until he gets it the Mercedes era won't be seen as successful as the Ferrari, if he gets it.
Interesting to be a part of it though eh?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I respectfully disagree (shock!), records are made to be broken. I never thought the McLaren pomp of the late 80s early 90s would be beaten and the more they tweak the rules, the more someone has a chance to steel a march on the competition.
I get your point of view but an F1 team is such a complex entity it's impossible for a governing body to try and control it.
If I were to put a fiver (I don't gamble but) on next year's WCC, I'd say Ferrari over Mercedes now. Can Mercedes really keep up their development to get HAM equal with SCH? I still think until he gets it the Mercedes era won't be seen as successful as the Ferrari, if he gets it.
Interesting to be a part of it though eh?
It is a fantastic time to follow the sport. I agree with the basis of what you say, and how teams develop over and above the rules/intent. But the 2021 rules effectively alter the basis of the sport by adding budget caps. Those caps will be exploited somehow, and each year regulations will tighten to better enforce them - bit I can't see any team managing to work around the caps for 6 or maybe 7 consecutive years... At least not sufficiently to be truly dominant the way Mercedes have been. And let's be honest, talent isn't lacking but they set the potential for their dominance with an ungodly investment in F1. Such stellar spending isn't going to be possible 2021 and beyond.I get your point of view but an F1 team is such a complex entity it's impossible for a governing body to try and control it.
If I were to put a fiver (I don't gamble but) on next year's WCC, I'd say Ferrari over Mercedes now. Can Mercedes really keep up their development to get HAM equal with SCH? I still think until he gets it the Mercedes era won't be seen as successful as the Ferrari, if he gets it.
Interesting to be a part of it though eh?
If it weren't for that fundamental change, I would agree with you that it's only a matter of time before we see the current records broken again. As it is, things are about to change in a fundamental way and I suppose the honest answer is I don't know what that will make possible in the future. Maybe one team can find an advantage to own for so many years? I just can't imagine what that advantage would be. It used to be simple: buy a half decent penniless team and sign off of £1-2bn of investment!
As for Mercedes and Lewis next year, who knows.. Ferrari are indeed making a lot of forward progress suddenly. But the fact that the records are so valuable Mercedes leads me to believe they will throw everything at achieving them. It's the culmination of their return to F1, they won't skimp on it!
Edited by TheDeuce on Sunday 13th October 21:55
TheDeuce said:
It is a fantastic time to follow the sport.
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