Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?
Discussion
Schermerhorn said:
Would anyone have imagined Kubica looking like an absolute bum against George Russell?
I reckon I have noticed an overall improvement in Kubica's form compared to George since around the summer break. Around about the same time Williams finally delivered an adapted steering wheel moving more of Robert's controls to his left hand. I think there will be a story to be told about Russell vs. Robert at Williams 2019 once the NDAs have expired... 37chevy said:
Schermerhorn said:
F1 is all about luck, politics and nepotism.
Really? And there’s me thinking talent and skill had a decent part in it too? Or are you saying Schumacher was neither skilful or talented....Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 13th November 14:32
sparta6 said:
Are you in a school playground ?
And it's quite possible not everyone reads the Daily Mail
Well it is vdn, formerly LDN, Hamilton’s self appointed PistonHeads PR guy and number one fan. Whenever I sign in to PH, he’s there, cheerleading for Hamilton. He’s been doing it for a few years.And it's quite possible not everyone reads the Daily Mail
Edited by whatxd on Thursday 14th November 08:48
37chevy said:
Schermerhorn said:
F1 is all about luck, politics and nepotism.
Really? And there’s me thinking talent and skill had a decent part in it too? Or are you saying Schumacher was neither skilful or talented....Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 13th November 14:32
Schumacher - people called his WDC's lucky but he had the skill, prepared himself and those around him and was as opportunistic as he could be with the Ferrari deal to weight the odds in his favour as much as possible.
Hamilton - people call him lucky for stepping into the Merc at the right time, when in fact he too had the skill, had prepared himself to commit to becoming a multiple WDC and used this to be in #1 contention for the Merc seat above everyone else.
Alonso - 'unlucky' he only got 2 WDC's, when in fact through poor choices, outward ruthlessness that became disloyalty to his team and a lack of emotional awareness (skill) he failed to prepare sufficiently to benefit from opportunities beyond his dog s
t cars and was left out in the cold.The list could go on and describing WDC's as merely 'lucky' is short sighted, whoever it is. Hell, even Rosberg. *washes own mouth out*
spunkytherabbit said:
I recently heard luck described as the intersection of opportunism, skill and preparation. I think that is a perfect description of every situation people use in here to describe drivers and teams that were both lucky and unlucky.
Schumacher - people called his WDC's lucky but he had the skill, prepared himself and those around him and was as opportunistic as he could be with the Ferrari deal to weight the odds in his favour as much as possible.
Hamilton - people call him lucky for stepping into the Merc at the right time, when in fact he too had the skill, had prepared himself to commit to becoming a multiple WDC and used this to be in #1 contention for the Merc seat above everyone else.
Alonso - 'unlucky' he only got 2 WDC's, when in fact through poor choices, outward ruthlessness that became disloyalty to his team and a lack of emotional awareness (skill) he failed to prepare sufficiently to benefit from opportunities beyond his dog st cars and was left out in the cold.
The list could go on and describing WDC's as merely 'lucky' is short sighted, whoever it is. Hell, even Rosberg. *washes own mouth out*
Spot on that. Schumacher - people called his WDC's lucky but he had the skill, prepared himself and those around him and was as opportunistic as he could be with the Ferrari deal to weight the odds in his favour as much as possible.
Hamilton - people call him lucky for stepping into the Merc at the right time, when in fact he too had the skill, had prepared himself to commit to becoming a multiple WDC and used this to be in #1 contention for the Merc seat above everyone else.
Alonso - 'unlucky' he only got 2 WDC's, when in fact through poor choices, outward ruthlessness that became disloyalty to his team and a lack of emotional awareness (skill) he failed to prepare sufficiently to benefit from opportunities beyond his dog s
t cars and was left out in the cold.The list could go on and describing WDC's as merely 'lucky' is short sighted, whoever it is. Hell, even Rosberg. *washes own mouth out*
its amazing how the best always seem to be 'lucky'
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
37chevy said:
Bo_apex said:
You’re correct...according to Niki, Lewis is now the best
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk...
That backfired quite spectacularly on Bo_apex... I'm sure he'll pretend it didn't happen.
And it's quite possible not everyone reads the Daily Mail
Still no sign of Bo'...
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
37chevy said:
Bo_apex said:
You’re correct...according to Niki, Lewis is now the besthttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk...
That backfired quite spectacularly on Bo_apex... I'm sure he'll pretend it didn't happen.
And it's quite possible not everyone reads the Daily Mail
Still no sign of Bo'...
Unfortunately 3 flights got in the way of living my life on PH
Lauda made two statements regarding the greats.
You seem to have got rather foamy and over-excited at his second statement.
It must mean an awful lot to you.
Have a good weekend
Bo_apex said:
Quite right
Unfortunately 3 flights got in the way of living my life on PH
Lauda made two statements regarding the greats.
You seem to have got rather foamy and over-excited at his second statement.
It must mean an awful lot to you.
Have a good weekend
Foamy at Laudas statement? No. Unfortunately 3 flights got in the way of living my life on PH
Lauda made two statements regarding the greats.
You seem to have got rather foamy and over-excited at his second statement.
It must mean an awful lot to you.
Have a good weekend
Enjoying the fact it must mean an awful lot to you to once again try to put down Hamilton’s achievements, so much so that you have to spend time to search for an article produced 14 years ago, for it to be blown away by a google search which took 20 seconds. Yes.
Boy it must be so hard to try and be that negative about a driver you don’t know...
Really would be good to know though Bo....if Lauda always speaks the truth, then given his comments in the second article that you concede that Hamilton is now the best ever?
...it’s ok, il wait until your next 3 flights for an answer if you like
Edited by 37chevy on Friday 15th November 17:34
Bo_apex said:
vdn said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
37chevy said:
Bo_apex said:
You’re correct...according to Niki, Lewis is now the besthttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk...
That backfired quite spectacularly on Bo_apex... I'm sure he'll pretend it didn't happen.
And it's quite possible not everyone reads the Daily Mail
Still no sign of Bo'...
Unfortunately 3 flights got in the way of living my life on PH
Lauda made two statements regarding the greats.
You seem to have got rather foamy and over-excited at his second statement.
It must mean an awful lot to you.
Have a good weekend
As for the weekend... thanks
This has got to be painful reading for Schumacher fans...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.opinion...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.opinion...
sparta6 said:
Exige77 said:
If Senna hadn’t lost just life, MS wouldn’t have had any WDCs.
So many ifs and buts.
Are you sure about that ? So many ifs and buts.
Schumacher was pushing Senna in the Williams to the max
'94 was suggesting the rivalry between Senna and M. Schumacher would have been fierce.
Still possible M. Schumacher would have won WDCs vs Senna. Prost did.
Duns said:
sparta6 said:
Exige77 said:
If Senna hadn’t lost just life, MS wouldn’t have had any WDCs.
So many ifs and buts.
Are you sure about that ? So many ifs and buts.
Schumacher was pushing Senna in the Williams to the max
'94 was suggesting the rivalry between Senna and M. Schumacher would have been fierce.
Still possible M. Schumacher would have won WDCs vs Senna. Prost did.
I wonder if Senna hadn’t have died, whether Hill or Senna would have been close to Schumacher In the 94 championship
37chevy said:
I wonder if Senna hadn’t have died, whether Hill or Senna would have been close to Schumacher In the 94 championship
Nope. Benetton were cheating and Williams had no chance. Senna called Alain Prost about it, long before anyone suggested. He went to listen to Schumacher's car in some corners and new exactly what was happening. Without traction control, yes Senna would certainly have been able to compete.This the reason why I don't understand how people can compare Schumacher and Hamilton. One has countless red missed moments on track and cheating claims to his races and titles and the other one barely any controversy apart from his air style (for some) towards his 6 titles.
Duns said:
Watch Damon in Japan, '94. Classic race.
With his route to F1 Hill was never going to be a Schumacher or Senna, but that race he really elevated himself to the level of the elite. I seem to recall him saying he started the day in a really bad mood which he thinks may have helped. 
Duns said:
The fuel filter removal and other '94 controversies may have been Benetton's doing.
With Hamilton, the ‘cheating’ / sharp practice was done in the background, look at the movie ‘the dictator’ ( the one with Sacha Baron Cohen) to see what I mean Edited by Duns on Sunday 17th November 12:58
. There was a piece at the end of Quali highlights for Brazil, last night on C4, where Ross Brawn was asked “who’s better, Schumacher or Hamilton”, his answer was brilliant. Essentially ‘Hamilton’s a tw@‘ without explicitly saying that.Senna was incandescent after the quali session at interlagos, when Schumacher was blitzing the last uphill segment to the start finish straight. Senna went out, and drove the Williams as hard as he thought it needed to be driven, in order to get through there, in the Benetton’s time, with no T.C. and ended up facing the way he came into the corner. He couldn’t see how it was possible, that Benetton weren’t using T.C. and the car was going through that segment without having to lift / brake. If Senna said that, I really don’t doubt it.
Edited by GOATever on Sunday 17th November 14:48
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff