Lewis Hamilton Vs Michael Schumacher - Who Is Better?

[GOATever]

37chevy said:

Really? Because that’s at complete loggerheads with his opinion of Lewis in every interview where the subject has come up.

Why don’t you actually watch it, then come back and comment?

[37chevy]

GOATever said:

Why don’t you actually watch it, then come back and comment?

I have...and didn’t get that impression at all. Why don’t you do a quick google search for articles over the last few years including up to last week when Hamilton won the title and listen to the Mans words rather than drawing a conclusion on something ‘he essentially’ but didn’t actually say

[GOATever]

paulguitar said:

Enlighten us specifically how Hamilton has cheated in the background.

Several / numerous ‘get out of the way / lie down’ calls ( some of which were obeyed, some of which weren’t) some with comical outcomes / very serious consequences for the teams *Cough* Fred at McLaren *cough*

[GOATever]

37chevy said:

I have...and didn’t get that impression at all. Why don’t you do a quick google search for articles over the last few years including up to last week when Hamilton won the title and listen to the Mans words rather than drawing a conclusion on something ‘he essentially’ but didn’t actually say

If Ross is ‘evasive’ in his answer ( he was ) you need to take the rose tinted spectacles off, and read between the lines.

[37chevy]

GOATever said:

If Ross is ‘evasive’ in his answer ( he was ) you need to take the rose tinted spectacles off, and read between the lines.

No rose tinted spectacles at all. I just listen to what he actually says....and what he has said I’ve the last few weeks is all over the Internet for you to read

I think you need to take off your stevie wonder shades and open your eyes, read and listen to word Ross actually says rather than jumping to a conclusion about something he doesn’t say

[37chevy]

Here GOAT, il give you a hand....

Here’s a starter...it’s actually something Ross has said, rather than something he hasn’t

https://www.gpfans.com/amp/article.php?id=46466

[angrymoby]

Duns said:

The fuel filter removal and other '94 controversies may have been Benetton's doing.

Edited by Duns on Sunday 17th November 12:58

you're telling me that he wouldn't know if his car had traction & launch control? ...GTFOH

[GOATever]

Is Hamilton the best of his generation? Probably. Is he better than Schumacher? No. The simple reason being that Hamilton is a Karter, always was always will be. Herman Ze German ‘rebuilt’ all the decent tracks, to be overblown kart tracks, and designed all the new fancy schmancy tracks, to be Kart tracks. If you watch KZ1 / KZ2 Karting, you’ll see a lot of the sorts of driving that Hamilton seems to favour. Is it good? Yes in karting, do I want to see those sorts of track, and that sort of racing in GP racing? No I don’t. Schumacher raced on proper circuits, before they were ‘Herminated’. Hamilton always struggles on the remaining ‘hardcore’ circuits, which ( although even a lot of those have been ‘softened’) are still properly challenging. For that reason alone, Hamilton is not the measure of Herr Weavy.

[paulguitar]

GOATever said:

Is Hamilton the best of his generation? Probably. Is he better than Schumacher? No. The simple reason being that Hamilton is a Karter, always was always will be. Herman Ze German ‘rebuilt’ all the decent tracks, to be overblown kart tracks, and designed all the new fancy schmancy tracks, to be Kart tracks. If you watch KZ1 / KZ2 Karting, you’ll see a lot of the sorts of driving that Hamilton seems to favour. Is it good? Yes in karting, do I want to see those sorts of track, and that sort of racing in GP racing? No I don’t. Schumacher raced on proper circuits, before they were ‘Herminated’. Hamilton always struggles on the remaining ‘hardcore’ circuits, which ( although even a lot of those have been ‘softened’) are still properly challenging. For that reason alone, Hamilton is not the measure of Herr Weavy.

Can only presume you have just returned from the pub?

[Graveworm]

GOATever said:

Is Hamilton the best of his generation? Probably. Is he better than Schumacher? No. The simple reason being that Hamilton is a Karter, always was always will be. Herman Ze German ‘rebuilt’ all the decent tracks, to be overblown kart tracks, and designed all the new fancy schmancy tracks, to be Kart tracks. If you watch KZ1 / KZ2 Karting, you’ll see a lot of the sorts of driving that Hamilton seems to favour. Is it good? Yes in karting, do I want to see those sorts of track, and that sort of racing in GP racing? No I don’t. Schumacher raced on proper circuits, before they were ‘Herminated’. Hamilton always struggles on the remaining ‘hardcore’ circuits, which ( although even a lot of those have been ‘softened’) are still properly challenging. For that reason alone, Hamilton is not the measure of Herr Weavy.

Where to start. He literally has the record for winning the most different Grands Prix and at more different circuits than anyone and at every track on the calendar.

[heebeegeetee]

GOATever said:

Is Hamilton the best of his generation? Probably. Is he better than Schumacher? No. The simple reason being that Hamilton is a Karter, always was always will be. Herman Ze German ‘rebuilt’ all the decent tracks, to be overblown kart tracks, and designed all the new fancy schmancy tracks, to be Kart tracks. If you watch KZ1 / KZ2 Karting, you’ll see a lot of the sorts of driving that Hamilton seems to favour. Is it good? Yes in karting, do I want to see those sorts of track, and that sort of racing in GP racing? No I don’t. Schumacher raced on proper circuits, before they were ‘Herminated’. Hamilton always struggles on the remaining ‘hardcore’ circuits, which ( although even a lot of those have been ‘softened’) are still properly challenging. For that reason alone, Hamilton is not the measure of Herr Weavy.

There’s clutching at straws, and then there’s this. Jesus Christ.

Not that it’s relevant to anything, but let’s just remind ourselves that Schumi effectively grew up at a kart track, his parents worked at the track, the track is now called the Michael Schumacher Kart Centre and it seems is now located on Michael Schumacher Strasse. Schumi continued to race karts as an adult throughout his time in cars, he used karting predominantly to prepare himself for his second career before fast single seaters, (and in my opinion continued to use karting tactics in his racing when it came to knocking rivals off track).

He must have done more karting in his career than any other driver. Plus, throughout most of his time in F1 refuelling was used, meaning that most of the time Schumi was in a lightweight car on sticky rubber, as opposed to the 750kg cars, full of fuel, on dodgy rubber, that Hamilton is more used to. Which one is more like a kart?

[anonymous-user]

As time goes on, Lewis looks like one of the most complete F1 drivers so far.

But credit where credit's due, Michael Schumacher did some spectacular things in his time. Like Hungary '98.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 18th November 03:08

[sparta6]

whatxd said:

Well it is vdn, formerly LDN, Hamilton’s self appointed PistonHeads PR guy and number one fan. Whenever I sign in to PH, he’s there, cheerleading for Hamilton. He’s been doing it for a few years.

Edited by whatxd on Thursday 14th November 08:48

vdn is living the dream.

I'm sure Hamilton pays him plenty for all his time investment on PH

[A44RON]

E34-3.2 said:

sparta6 said:

I hear what you're saying.

Just because Hamilton doesn't often get his elbows out doesn't automatically make him a greater driver. Achievements in adverse conditions, against fierce rival competition and often in a sub-par car are the hallmarks of Schumacher.

Mike Tyson played rough and ready, but that doesn't mean Anthony Joshua is a better boxer.

Sub-par car... Lol
You as well forget that Schumacher never had to fight a world champion or even a double world champion as a team mate with equal opportunity.
The only 2 good drivers Schumacher had to fight in his career for a title were Hakkinen and Alonso... And he lost 4 times in total. Shows that as soon as competition was strong, he failed.

To be fair, Schumacher also had to fight a prime Kimi Raikkonen and Montoya, as well as Hakkinen (who he beat in a fair battle in 2000) and Alonso. Alonso mainly won in 2005 because the FIA turned the tyre regs in favour of Michelin and away from Ferrari/Bridgestone, otherwise Schumacher would've probably won another title in 2005 and even more race wins to his legacy. It took rule changes from the FIA to stop halt Schumacher and Ferrari's domination - something we haven't seen with Mercedes, who have been allowed to dominate for longer.

in 1998 and 1999 McLaren had the faster car and Hakkinen totally deserved those titles, even with Schumacher breaking his leg at the half-way point in 99. So that's biased nonsense he failed when competition was strong.

[vdn]

GOATever said:

Is Hamilton the best of his generation? Probably. Is he better than Schumacher? No. The simple reason being that Hamilton is a Karter, always was always will be. Herman Ze German ‘rebuilt’ all the decent tracks, to be overblown kart tracks, and designed all the new fancy schmancy tracks, to be Kart tracks. If you watch KZ1 / KZ2 Karting, you’ll see a lot of the sorts of driving that Hamilton seems to favour. Is it good? Yes in karting, do I want to see those sorts of track, and that sort of racing in GP racing? No I don’t. Schumacher raced on proper circuits, before they were ‘Herminated’. Hamilton always struggles on the remaining ‘hardcore’ circuits, which ( although even a lot of those have been ‘softened’) are still properly challenging. For that reason alone, Hamilton is not the measure of Herr Weavy.

Brilliant!!!

[vdn]

sparta6 said:

whatxd said:

Well it is vdn, formerly LDN, Hamilton’s self appointed PistonHeads PR guy and number one fan. Whenever I sign in to PH, he’s there, cheerleading for Hamilton. He’s been doing it for a few years.

Edited by whatxd on Thursday 14th November 08:48

vdn is living the dream.

I'm sure Hamilton pays him plenty for all his time investment on PH

vdn (formerly LDN) isn’t paid a penny but finds amusement in seeing you chaps tie yourself in knots, arguing the talent levels of Hamilton; against the assertions of the paddock, team managers, etc.

It’s brilliant and very much like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Mr Tidy]

Duns said:

As time goes on, Lewis looks like one of the most complete F1 drivers so far.

But credit where credit's due, Michael Schumacher did some spectacular things in his time. Like Hungary '98.

Edited by Duns on Monday 18th November 03:08

Lewis seems to be the real deal - unlike MS who did indeed do some spectacular things in his time (just ask Damon Hill)! Crashing to win springs to mind - he must have been a Senna fan!

[A44RON]

TobyTR said:

Edited by TobyTR on Monday 4th November 01:01

JB is well-qualified to comment, having raced against both and raced in the monster V10 era, V8s and V6t hybrid era

Are there any interviews out there where a journalist has asked Ross Brawn "who is better - Schumacher or Hamilton?" and did he give a straight-up clear answer with reasons why?

Because on this difficult topic, Ross Brawn is the only one who has the experience and knowledge from working with both extensively to answer it.

Edited by A44RON on Tuesday 19th November 02:21

[E34-3.2]

Looking at Shumacher's health in the last few years, I doubt you'll hear much F1 drivers or team managers and others involve in the sport talk openly about his dark side on the track. They would be destroy by the press for talking wrongly about a defenceless sick person which is understandable but tainted in their judgment.

[paulguitar]

A44RON said:

Because on this difficult topic, Ross Brawn is the only one who has the experience and knowledge from working with both extensively to answer it.

Edited by A44RON on Tuesday 19th November 02:21

Ross has not worked extensively with Lewis. he was instrumental in getting him into the Mercedes team, and even visited him at home, but of course, Ross was out of F1 before the start of the hybrid era.