Official 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
StevieBee said:
Brundle has said previously of Senna that he would often put himself in a position whereby he gave the other driver the option of having an accident or not. I think Ferrari have two drivers that both take the same approach.
If you're good enough, you get away with it. If you're not you're just a Grosjean or Maldonado. Look at Crashtappen, he's come in for a lot of criticism but he's good enough to ride it out.
Nico’s video up, very good as usual and I think he’s largely spot on although personally I think Hamilton is massively better than Verstappen overall. 
https://youtu.be/61h03_1L2QE
https://youtu.be/61h03_1L2QE
heebeegeetee said:
Nico’s video up, very good as usual and I think he’s largely spot on although personally I think Hamilton is massively better than Verstappen overall.
https://youtu.be/61h03_1L2QE
In sheer speed I don’t think there is much in it TBH but over a full season with all the many aspects of F1 Ihttps://youtu.be/61h03_1L2QE
My money is on Lewis to take no.7 next year
ghost83 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
LeClerc starting turning into Vettel??
Were you watching the same incident?
Again steering wheel pointing right towards vettel when heading towards a left turnWere you watching the same incident?
ELUSIVEJIM said:
StevieBee said:
oyster said:
What a farce at Ferrari.
Why are they not giving each other more space?
Why is Vettel squeezing Leclerc on the straight?
Why is Leclerc trying to hold his line against a clearly fast car (at that point on the circuit)?
Binotto needs to deal with these 2 fools before next season, as there's a possibility on current form that they might both be in a title-chasing position.
Brundle has said previously of Senna that he would often put himself in a position whereby he gave the other driver the option of having an accident or not. I think Ferrari have two drivers that both take the same approachWhy are they not giving each other more space?
Why is Vettel squeezing Leclerc on the straight?
Why is Leclerc trying to hold his line against a clearly fast car (at that point on the circuit)?
Binotto needs to deal with these 2 fools before next season, as there's a possibility on current form that they might both be in a title-chasing position.
Vettel is a liability and needs to seriously think about retiring.
And it pains me to say but agree with your sentiment regarding Vettel. I had thought he'd regained some form but leopard/spots and all that.
I'm normally quick to criticize Seb. And I did with this incident initially as Seb certainly moves left. But, he doesn't jink left, and he's made the pass when there was very little room left for him by CLC. After looking at it more times and listening to the interviews, I think it was pretty foolish of CLC to defend so robustly when the pass was made and Seb was mostly ahead. The only reason for trying to hold your line and keep the passing car so wide is to aid a lunge on the brakes, but they still had a fair bit of straight left and Seb is carrying more speed and so it really would be a lunge. I'm not sure you should be racing your team mate like that.
I'm normally quick to defend Lewis. And initially I thought Albon had closed the door on him far too late. However, I do see that Lewis was on a bit of lunge and the little lock up supports that view. It may have been the racing line that Albon was on, but it was an odd line with another car on your rear wing and locking to force a pass. If you watch the following cars, they're all on a tight defensive line. So in summary, I think Lewis was a little half hearted because he wasn't expecting that amount of room to be left. And the lock up was him trying to pull out of the pass once it became very likely that Albon wasn't going to leave a cars width. I wonder if Lewis would have been better off letting off the brakes earlier and trying to get fully alongside while forcing both cars onto a wider line. Anyway. That was very much a racing incident to my mind and I think based on the driving, the decision could have gone either way. I guess we know that the outcome has a bearing, maybe as much as the actual standard of driving.... Let them race... When it suits.
It was maybe similar to Lewis and Max at Monaco. I think Lewis was tempting Max in while making sure he had an escape route for when the contact came.
I'm normally quick to defend Lewis. And initially I thought Albon had closed the door on him far too late. However, I do see that Lewis was on a bit of lunge and the little lock up supports that view. It may have been the racing line that Albon was on, but it was an odd line with another car on your rear wing and locking to force a pass. If you watch the following cars, they're all on a tight defensive line. So in summary, I think Lewis was a little half hearted because he wasn't expecting that amount of room to be left. And the lock up was him trying to pull out of the pass once it became very likely that Albon wasn't going to leave a cars width. I wonder if Lewis would have been better off letting off the brakes earlier and trying to get fully alongside while forcing both cars onto a wider line. Anyway. That was very much a racing incident to my mind and I think based on the driving, the decision could have gone either way. I guess we know that the outcome has a bearing, maybe as much as the actual standard of driving.... Let them race... When it suits.
It was maybe similar to Lewis and Max at Monaco. I think Lewis was tempting Max in while making sure he had an escape route for when the contact came.
Flooble said:
Deesee said:
That's an excellent composite, thank you. Really shows how far Vettel moved over. https://streamable.com/l0tn2
Flooble said:
Deesee said:
That's an excellent composite, thank you. Really shows how far Vettel moved over. Vettel had DRS and was going to get past CLC regardless, yet their combined stupidity resulted in an avoidable accident and left Ferrari with 2 DNF's.
Deesee said:
Plenty of room for CLC to move left, but on those shots he had moved quite a bit but fingers just kept on coming, they really should know better than that, as it doesn't prove anything driving like that.Entertaining though for those of us that aren't Ferrari fans.
Deesee said:
I don't think CLC doffed his cap either.Vettel's career must be all but over. Only 32 with so much experience, but just can't keep himself out of trouble despite the reputation he's been building. I can't see him troubling Hamilton for a championship again even if they swap cars.
The Surveyor said:
Flooble said:
Deesee said:
That's an excellent composite, thank you. Really shows how far Vettel moved over. Vettel had DRS and was going to get past CLC regardless, yet their combined stupidity resulted in an avoidable accident and left Ferrari with 2 DNF's.
Vettel had DRS and could have just stuck to his line and passed LeClerc by the time they had reached the corner. But as seen before Vettel likes to move across before being past which results in accidents.
100% Vettels fault as it has been so many other times in the past.
heebeegeetee said:
Nico’s video up, very good as usual and I think he’s largely spot on although personally I think Hamilton is massively better than Verstappen overall.
https://youtu.be/61h03_1L2QE
I think goes without saying it's 6 WDC vs. Zero, but he has it in him, I'd like to see them at the same team it would be riot for the race fan. https://youtu.be/61h03_1L2QE
Flooble said:
Deesee said:
That's an excellent composite, thank you. Really shows how far Vettel moved over. Vettel was again completely in the wrong. I just don't understand why he continues to make these massive errors of judgement.
Vettels mistakes in 2018/2019
2018
Azerbaijan - lock up while trying to pass Bottas which cost him the win.
French GP - hits Bottas and the Haas in the same race.
Germany - crashes out while leading.
Monza - Spins while alongside Hamilton.
Suzuki - Hits Verstappen
Austin - Spins when fighting with Ricciardo
2019
Bahrain - Spins when battling with Hamilton
Canadian GP - Mistake and across the grass handing the win to Hamilton after a penalty.
Silverstone - Hits Verstappen up the rear.
Monza again - Spins and takes out Stroll with a very dangerous move.
Brazilian GP - Hits his teammate.
How much more can Ferrari take?
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