Official 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2019 Brazilian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Author
Discussion

37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
ghost83 said:
So I’m sorry but I blame leclerc

Watching the footage this post is very misleading;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYB4fDz5Vc

LEC's steering wheel is simply wandering from side to side on the bumps-he doesn't steer to the right.
It's not the bumps. To stop moving left you need to steer right. He is making sure he gives Vettel minimum possible room.
It's almost like you haven't watched the video?
Clearly not because even stevie wonder could see it was bumps...but then maybe thyroid is seeing what he wants to believe not what is true

Wills2

16,250 posts

123 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
Deesee said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
HAM & GAS seemed to manage it on the last lap!
Great wasn’t it..
TBF Hamilton had already punted Albon off....It was a fabulous race to watch, the spills make it even more entertaining even though it's not fair on those that come off worse.



37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
Wills2 said:
Deesee said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
HAM & GAS seemed to manage it on the last lap!
Great wasn’t it..
TBF Hamilton had already punted Albon off....It was a fabulous race to watch, the spills make it even more entertaining even though it's not fair on those that come off worse.

I think they’re refering to hamilton on gasly at the restart...nice clean pass

Mr_Thyroid

1,776 posts

175 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
I don't believe steering shakes over bumps like that in a modern car.

Some Guy

676 posts

39 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
Kudos for Lewis having the minerals to fess up for making a mistake.

LaurasOtherHalf

15,910 posts

144 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't believe steering shakes over bumps like that in a modern car.
You better get on to the FIA Medical Delegate then as LEC would appear to have Parkinson’s.

Wh00sher

1,260 posts

166 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't believe steering shakes over bumps like that in a modern car.
Yet the video very clearly shows exactly that happening wink

abzmike

1,685 posts

54 months

Monday 18th November
quotequote all
Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't believe steering shakes over bumps like that in a modern car.
It might at 150mph

jsf

14,590 posts

184 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't believe steering shakes over bumps like that in a modern car.
They run lots of front camber and lots of toe out at the front.

That translates to a car that follows undulations in the track surface.

The cars are alive and need driving with high levels of concentration. You can calm all that down with a different setup but it would be slow.

Graveworm

2,793 posts

19 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
abzmike said:
It might at 150mph
And with no suspension travel..

heebeegeetee

26,774 posts

196 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Mr_Thyroid said:
I don't believe steering shakes over bumps like that in a modern car.
It’s a race car. Less than one turn of lock to lock steering, tyres with a level of grip wholly inexperienced on road cars, far more aggressive set up - who knows what they’re like to drive, very few of us that’s for sure.

Teddy Lop

1,959 posts

15 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Wh00sher said:
Deesee said:
Here’s a frame by frame front on.



100% avoidable, what a pair of muppets

That's the best bit of media I've yet seen showing the incident. !

Clearly shows leclerc moving towards the centre of the track, giving Vettel plenty of room yet Vettel keeps coming and eventually hits him.

The photo of leclerc with right lock is just to correct for the bumps, it's a single frame completely out of context.
and for reference, as its also been claimed in defense of Sebastian bent metal vettel, the red bull in the foreground will show the preferred racing line.

Zoobeef

4,138 posts

106 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Teddy Lop said:
Wh00sher said:
Deesee said:
Here’s a frame by frame front on.



100% avoidable, what a pair of muppets

That's the best bit of media I've yet seen showing the incident. !

Clearly shows leclerc moving towards the centre of the track, giving Vettel plenty of room yet Vettel keeps coming and eventually hits him.

The photo of leclerc with right lock is just to correct for the bumps, it's a single frame completely out of context.
and for reference, as its also been claimed in defense of Sebastian bent metal vettel, the red bull in the foreground will show the preferred racing line.
Or is the red bull a cars width left to try and put off the car you can see directly infront of him?

HTP99

15,308 posts

88 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Zoobeef said:
Teddy Lop said:
Wh00sher said:
Deesee said:
Here’s a frame by frame front on.



100% avoidable, what a pair of muppets

That's the best bit of media I've yet seen showing the incident. !

Clearly shows leclerc moving towards the centre of the track, giving Vettel plenty of room yet Vettel keeps coming and eventually hits him.

The photo of leclerc with right lock is just to correct for the bumps, it's a single frame completely out of context.
and for reference, as its also been claimed in defense of Sebastian bent metal vettel, the red bull in the foreground will show the preferred racing line.
Or is the red bull a cars width left to try and put off the car you can see directly infront of him?
From behind, clearly shows the racing line is to the right, look at the car in the background just getting to the corner:



Oilchange

5,810 posts

208 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Vettel’s fault. He had plenty of room, chose to carry on pushing Leclerc the way Schumacher would do. It bit him, bit Leclerc too but Leclerc wasn’t doing the squeezing and ultimately it was Vettel that drove into another car.
‘Bent metal Vettel’ I shall remember that one...

antspants

1,735 posts

123 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Personally I think they'll both need to hold their hands up and accept some responsibility internally.
Should Vettel be squeezing his own teammate in the manner he would other drivers, and LeClerc who should have been expecting to be squeezed as he was passed should not be so unwilling to yield against his teammate.
It's a very different argument to apportion blame if the incident is between rival team drivers, teammates however should not be allowing this to happen.
I think they share equal blame as teammates, but if they were from rival teams then I'd blame LeClerc because he must know the squeeze is coming and has essentially decided I'd rather we touched than yield.
Great race though! I rarely watch a race if I already know the result but this one sounded exciting and it certainly delivered!
I was curious about Horner's comment regarding Gasly's return to form and it being partly to do with the TR being an easier car to drive. Anybody know if that's actually the case? My assumption was that the further you went down the field the harder the cars were to drive, less downforce, grip etc. They certainly tend to look more of a handful in the onboard shots.

Munter

28,976 posts

189 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
antspants said:
Personally I think they'll both need to hold their hands up and accept some responsibility internally.
Should Vettel be squeezing his own teammate in the manner he would other drivers, and LeClerc who should have been expecting to be squeezed as he was passed should not be so unwilling to yield against his teammate.
It's a very different argument to apportion blame if the incident is between rival team drivers, teammates however should not be allowing this to happen.
I think they share equal blame as teammates, but if they were from rival teams then I'd blame LeClerc because he must know the squeeze is coming and has essentially decided I'd rather we touched than yield.
Great race though! I rarely watch a race if I already know the result but this one sounded exciting and it certainly delivered!
I was curious about Horner's comment regarding Gasly's return to form and it being partly to do with the TR being an easier car to drive. Anybody know if that's actually the case? My assumption was that the further you went down the field the harder the cars were to drive, less downforce, grip etc. They certainly tend to look more of a handful in the onboard shots.
A slower controllable handful vs a faster stable car that once it steps out, is gone.

oyster

9,434 posts

196 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
Zoobeef said:
Could have been avoided if CLC didn't bother racing too.
He is never going to drive himself onto the wrong side of the track and give vettal more and more room. Just isnt going to happen.
At no point did he expect his team mate to crash into him and need to give him any more space (given he had already given him nearly double the room he HAD to).
Amazing the amount of victim blaming going on here. Guessing you are the guys that say "well she was wearing a short skirt, maybe it would have been smarter to wear trousers and a jumper, may have been avoided then.."
Your analogy is embarrassing and ridiculous.

Zoobeef

4,138 posts

106 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
oyster said:
Your analogy is embarrassing and ridiculous.
As is your accusation that CLC had "Red Mist". Unless you're talking about his hand waving after he had been crashed into.

ukaskew

5,352 posts

169 months

Tuesday 19th November
quotequote all
antspants said:
but if they were from rival teams then I'd blame LeClerc because he must know the squeeze is coming and has essentially decided I'd rather we touched than yield.
I'll be honest, this has thrown me. Vettel had the best part of two car widths to play with as LeClerc was actually moving towards the centre of the track (as shown brilliantly in the overlayed screengrabs).

No driver is just going to move out of the way onto the marbles when the car alongside has significantly more than a full cars width to play with. If anything you might have expected LeClerc to put the squeeze on the car on the outside, but that's clearly not happening here.