George Russell
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Agree good for Williams and George, they did earn the potential reslut on Saturday and they should be happy.
But openly celebrating what was in the end, down to a farcical non-event that fans are upset about, shows a slight lack of decorum.
By all means let the world know you're delighted - but ideally in the same sentence try and reference the fans that were robbed and display a little sensitivity about the circumstances under which he placed P2.
But openly celebrating what was in the end, down to a farcical non-event that fans are upset about, shows a slight lack of decorum.
By all means let the world know you're delighted - but ideally in the same sentence try and reference the fans that were robbed and display a little sensitivity about the circumstances under which he placed P2.
I guess that unless something really strange happens Williams are now locked on for 8th in the Championship. When they have had years without any points at all (which is a huge blow given how the commercials are worked out) finishing 8th must feel like winning the championship. So it's understandable they may have got carried away.
This guy is a pure bred winner in previous formula.
The way he was dancing around with the trophy smashing his chest like he had just won spa 24 hours solo was embarrassing.
Running about 3 seconds off the pace in that Williams has messed up his head.
When he looks back on his career and his first f1 podium was that shambles he will want to forget about it as quick as we all do
Oh and it doesn't matter what he did on Saturday he didn't deserve a podium in a so called race for his result on Saturday that's not how f1 works.
The way he was dancing around with the trophy smashing his chest like he had just won spa 24 hours solo was embarrassing.
Running about 3 seconds off the pace in that Williams has messed up his head.
When he looks back on his career and his first f1 podium was that shambles he will want to forget about it as quick as we all do
Oh and it doesn't matter what he did on Saturday he didn't deserve a podium in a so called race for his result on Saturday that's not how f1 works.
All a little harsh and makes me wonder if many people on here have watched F1 closely to understand the utter state Williams have been in for ages. The lad gets p2 on merit and due to a technicality on race day gets some much needed points and ££££ (via constructor points)for his team that will go a very long way, maybe even keeps the team alive. Well done George, well done Williams. Celebrate away
You can’t be ‘fans’ of F1 if you begrudge Williams getting a bit of luck. He’s not even in the merc seat yet the polarising has started.
You can’t be ‘fans’ of F1 if you begrudge Williams getting a bit of luck. He’s not even in the merc seat yet the polarising has started.
Edited by Boom78 on Monday 30th August 09:55
I'm happy he got the podium and points for Williams, they should be a safe 8th now, unless there's another freak race result to come with Kimi winning or something. He did the work on Saturday and kept it on the track on Sunday without binning it (cough Perez cough...) to keep the position. Job done. It was his first F1 podium and it was in a Williams, after the last few years for that team, of course he's going to be excited about the result.
Teddy Lop said:
I'd have expected a little more astuteness from George. Mind, as we saw in imola, he can let emotion get out of hand. Perhaps there's a much darker and divisive side of him that'll emerge?
All F1 drivers will have a ruthless streak and huge egos to go with it, you're not getting there otherwise, we've already seen Russell's after he took out Bottas and he celebrated far too much considering they didn't race on Sunday, the chances are he'd have dropped out of the points in a full dry race. You have to celebrate these triumphs as the team deserve thier moment in the sun.
Never realized how warm and friendly Capito was.
No wonder he didn't last at the dreary and pompous vulcan enviRONment at mclaren as it was at the time.
Maybe that why happy go lucky Richiarrdo is struggling there. Still too many cool and dispassionate martians around?
Never realized how warm and friendly Capito was.
No wonder he didn't last at the dreary and pompous vulcan enviRONment at mclaren as it was at the time.
Maybe that why happy go lucky Richiarrdo is struggling there. Still too many cool and dispassionate martians around?
SmoothCriminal said:
This guy is a pure bred winner in previous formula.
The way he was dancing around with the trophy smashing his chest like he had just won spa 24 hours solo was embarrassing.
Running about 3 seconds off the pace in that Williams has messed up his head.
When he looks back on his career and his first f1 podium was that shambles he will want to forget about it as quick as we all do
Oh and it doesn't matter what he did on Saturday he didn't deserve a podium in a so called race for his result on Saturday that's not how f1 works.
Russell got the points for his team and for himself. It will not be forgotton, any more than Schumacher's even easier win in the USA GP when there was, in essence, just his car in the event. It went on his scorecard. Ferrari took the points. He counted it as a win, and so did everyone else. It was added to the record. Everyone happy. The way he was dancing around with the trophy smashing his chest like he had just won spa 24 hours solo was embarrassing.
Running about 3 seconds off the pace in that Williams has messed up his head.
When he looks back on his career and his first f1 podium was that shambles he will want to forget about it as quick as we all do
Oh and it doesn't matter what he did on Saturday he didn't deserve a podium in a so called race for his result on Saturday that's not how f1 works.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'that's not how F1 works' when, plainly, that's exactly how F1 works. It's in the rules.
My feeling is that there's also a back story to this. He was euphoric on Saturday with his well-earned 2nd slot. He might well have seen that as a turning point. And, if so, he was right. He'll have disappointments in the balance of his career. Let him enjoy his moment.
Let him have his fun.
Derek Smith said:
Russell got the points for his team and for himself. It will not be forgotton, any more than Schumacher's even easier win in the USA GP when there was, in essence, just his car in the event. It went on his scorecard. Ferrari took the points. He counted it as a win, and so did everyone else. It was added to the record. Everyone happy.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'that's not how F1 works' when, plainly, that's exactly how F1 works. It's in the rules.
My feeling is that there's also a back story to this. He was euphoric on Saturday with his well-earned 2nd slot. He might well have seen that as a turning point. And, if so, he was right. He'll have disappointments in the balance of his career. Let him enjoy his moment.
Let him have his fun.
my take is that finishing on the podium probably fulfilled a contractual obligation to allow him to join Mercedes. That is Toto has in GR's contract a stipulation that he has to have a top 3 finish to be eligible for the Mercedes seat.I'm not sure what you mean by 'that's not how F1 works' when, plainly, that's exactly how F1 works. It's in the rules.
My feeling is that there's also a back story to this. He was euphoric on Saturday with his well-earned 2nd slot. He might well have seen that as a turning point. And, if so, he was right. He'll have disappointments in the balance of his career. Let him enjoy his moment.
Let him have his fun.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Derek Smith said:
Russell got the points for his team and for himself. It will not be forgotton, any more than Schumacher's even easier win in the USA GP when there was, in essence, just his car in the event. It went on his scorecard. Ferrari took the points. He counted it as a win, and so did everyone else. It was added to the record. Everyone happy.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'that's not how F1 works' when, plainly, that's exactly how F1 works. It's in the rules.
My feeling is that there's also a back story to this. He was euphoric on Saturday with his well-earned 2nd slot. He might well have seen that as a turning point. And, if so, he was right. He'll have disappointments in the balance of his career. Let him enjoy his moment.
Let him have his fun.
my take is that finishing on the podium probably fulfilled a contractual obligation to allow him to join Mercedes. That is Toto has in GR's contract a stipulation that he has to have a top 3 finish to be eligible for the Mercedes seat.I'm not sure what you mean by 'that's not how F1 works' when, plainly, that's exactly how F1 works. It's in the rules.
My feeling is that there's also a back story to this. He was euphoric on Saturday with his well-earned 2nd slot. He might well have seen that as a turning point. And, if so, he was right. He'll have disappointments in the balance of his career. Let him enjoy his moment.
Let him have his fun.
Or perhaps it's more basic, he has a "win bonus" in his contract and just made a few million quid ...
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
my take is that finishing on the podium probably fulfilled a contractual obligation to allow him to join Mercedes. That is Toto has in GR's contract a stipulation that he has to have a top 3 finish to be eligible for the Mercedes seat.
There’s almost certainly something in his contract that sees him get a large bonus for a podium finish, with no caveat as to how exactly it comes about. He’s probably on a points bonus too, so another nine of them won’t hurt his wallet either! As much as I despise the way F1 ran the farce on Sunday, it’s very difficult to critisise the driver being over the moon for his first podium ‘finish’. Team and driver played the strategy very well on Saturday, taking a different approach to everyone else at the sharp end of the qualifying session, and it paying off in a dramatic fashion.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
my take is that finishing on the podium probably fulfilled a contractual obligation to allow him to join Mercedes. That is Toto has in GR's contract a stipulation that he has to have a top 3 finish to be eligible for the Mercedes seat.
Would I be right in thinking you are saying that somehow Toto managed to control the weather, Williams Q3 strategy, George's driving in Q3 and Michael Masi to somehow engineer a podium finish?Sandpit Steve said:
There’s almost certainly something in his contract that sees him get a large bonus for a podium finish, with no caveat as to how exactly it comes about. He’s probably on a points bonus too, so another nine of them won’t hurt his wallet either!
As much as I despise the way F1 ran the farce on Sunday, it’s very difficult to critisise the driver being over the moon for his first podium ‘finish’. Team and driver played the strategy very well on Saturday, taking a different approach to everyone else at the sharp end of the qualifying session, and it paying off in a dramatic fashion.
If Frank was in charge and there was a large bonus for a podium finish, he would probably have appealed against the result.As much as I despise the way F1 ran the farce on Sunday, it’s very difficult to critisise the driver being over the moon for his first podium ‘finish’. Team and driver played the strategy very well on Saturday, taking a different approach to everyone else at the sharp end of the qualifying session, and it paying off in a dramatic fashion.
My feeling, completely unevidenced, and nothing more than a guess, is that he has already been told he'd driving alongside Hamilton next season. With the pressure off (for a very short period Russell), he then got second on the grid. That must have been a tremendous boost, and on top of that, he was on the second step of the podium.
On top of all that, I was pleased to see a Williams there as well.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
my take is that finishing on the podium probably fulfilled a contractual obligation to allow him to join Mercedes. That is Toto has in GR's contract a stipulation that he has to have a top 3 finish to be eligible for the Mercedes seat.
Why would Toto stipulate something that could only ever happen under freak circumstances entirely beyond of the drivers control? I'm pretty sure Toto wouldn't want to put his best available incoming driver out of reach due to stipulating something extremely unlikely to happen too!In the end it did happen of course... But it took the weirdest and s
ttest F1 race of all time to make it happen.Again I think there's a lot of speculation but almost every F1 journo and ex driver has said the deal was done weeks ago and the only sticking point remains Bottas' move to Alfa Romeo.
I don't recall another occasion where pretty much the whole F1 paddock has been in such unanimous agreement and Jost Capito pretty much let the cat out of the bag over the weekend too.
When Schumacher was coming back for 2010 Eddie Jordan was the lone voice, not the case in this instance at all.
I don't recall another occasion where pretty much the whole F1 paddock has been in such unanimous agreement and Jost Capito pretty much let the cat out of the bag over the weekend too.
When Schumacher was coming back for 2010 Eddie Jordan was the lone voice, not the case in this instance at all.
Derek Smith said:
My feeling, completely unevidenced, and nothing more than a guess, is that he has already been told he'd driving alongside Hamilton next season. With the pressure off (for a very short period Russell), he then got second on the grid. That must have been a tremendous boost, and on top of that, he was on the second step of the podium.
On top of all that, I was pleased to see a Williams there as well.
I Had the same feeling, (I also seem to remember a few of the journalists saying the same over the weekend) and they are just giving Bottas time to get himself sorted before they announce it.On top of all that, I was pleased to see a Williams there as well.
I'm happy for Williams and George, I don't see why a lot of the anger is pointed at the drivers? they are just playing the hand they are dealt.
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