Official 2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Deesee said:
Also well done Lando that’s 11 to 10 vs Carlos in Quali for the season.
Whilst that is good, I am not sure why Sky etc are going on about this so much. The points differential and race places are rather different.. I know there have been some unfortunate situations for Lando but the bottom line is Carlos is a fair bit ahead, I mean, he could take 6th in the Driver's Championship?!?! JonChalk said:
From racefans.net: ( https://www.racefans.net/2019/11/30/binotto-admits... )
Sebastian Vettel
To Vettel: You have Albon 16 seconds in front and Charles three seconds behind.
To Vettel: You have five seconds margin, you have five seconds margin.
To Vettel: Get close to Albon, five seconds margin, 12 seconds in front, Albon.
To Vettel: Speed up now. Albon in front 10 seconds.
To Vettel: Charles is five seconds behind.
Vettel: They’re queueing.
To Vettel: We need to go now, go now.
Vettel: There’s a queue.
To Vettel: Five seconds.
To Vettel: That’s it.
To Vettel: You can push, you can push.
Charles Leclerc
To Leclerc: Track is clear, track clear.
To Leclerc: We are a bit tight on the out-lap.
To Leclerc: We have five second margin.
To Leclerc: We need 30 seconds apex 14.
To Leclerc: Sebastian in front at 5.2.
Leclerc: How much margin?
To Leclerc: Zero margin. We need to push.
Leclerc: We’re not going to make it. Seb is slowing down.
To Leclerc: OK keep going, keep going, we will.
To Leclerc: Mode push for last corner.
To Leclerc: And keep doing.
Leclerc: Ah well.
Leclerc: OK.
To Leclerc: So stay negative, stay negative. Slow button on.
Interesting.. He's suspicious of Vettel and perhaps with good reason based on that - although it depends how you read it to be fair.Sebastian Vettel
To Vettel: You have Albon 16 seconds in front and Charles three seconds behind.
To Vettel: You have five seconds margin, you have five seconds margin.
To Vettel: Get close to Albon, five seconds margin, 12 seconds in front, Albon.
To Vettel: Speed up now. Albon in front 10 seconds.
To Vettel: Charles is five seconds behind.
Vettel: They’re queueing.
To Vettel: We need to go now, go now.
Vettel: There’s a queue.
To Vettel: Five seconds.
To Vettel: That’s it.
To Vettel: You can push, you can push.
Charles Leclerc
To Leclerc: Track is clear, track clear.
To Leclerc: We are a bit tight on the out-lap.
To Leclerc: We have five second margin.
To Leclerc: We need 30 seconds apex 14.
To Leclerc: Sebastian in front at 5.2.
Leclerc: How much margin?
To Leclerc: Zero margin. We need to push.
Leclerc: We’re not going to make it. Seb is slowing down.
To Leclerc: OK keep going, keep going, we will.
To Leclerc: Mode push for last corner.
To Leclerc: And keep doing.
Leclerc: Ah well.
Leclerc: OK.
To Leclerc: So stay negative, stay negative. Slow button on.
So tomorrow we have two not entirely respectful of one another Ferrari drivers, up front a Max that knows if he makes an error or loses a place or two, he is no longer 3rd in the WDC. And a Lewis that has his own pride and his teams utter dominance of this circuit to protect.
Corner one will be a tad fraught me thinks. What a great set up for the GP tomorrow.
Jasandjules said:
Deesee said:
Also well done Lando that’s 11 to 10 vs Carlos in Quali for the season.
Whilst that is good, I am not sure why Sky etc are going on about this so much. The points differential and race places are rather different.. I know there have been some unfortunate situations for Lando but the bottom line is Carlos is a fair bit ahead, I mean, he could take 6th in the Driver's Championship?!?! Jasandjules said:
Deesee said:
Also well done Lando that’s 11 to 10 vs Carlos in Quali for the season.
Whilst that is good, I am not sure why Sky etc are going on about this so much. The points differential and race places are rather different.. I know there have been some unfortunate situations for Lando but the bottom line is Carlos is a fair bit ahead, I mean, he could take 6th in the Driver's Championship?!?! I’m just watching back the session, flicking between the world fee (sky coms), pitlane (with a chap who is actually ok to listen to) and the onboards.
Interestingly it was mentioned that a tow would be optimised at about 6 seconds from the lead car for the two straights, with CLC backing off from 3.5 to 5.2 in that failed Q3 run the Ferrari plan may have well been to use that.
Interestingly it was mentioned that a tow would be optimised at about 6 seconds from the lead car for the two straights, with CLC backing off from 3.5 to 5.2 in that failed Q3 run the Ferrari plan may have well been to use that.
Deesee said:
I’m just watching back the session, flicking between the world fee (sky coms), pitlane (with a chap who is actually ok to listen to) and the onboards.
Interestingly it was mentioned that a tow would be optimised at about 6 seconds from the lead car for the two straights, with CLC backing off from 3.5 to 5.2 in that failed Q3 run the Ferrari plan may have well been to use that.
That may be true but CLC's issue was that seb was already slowing - when his engineer was telling him to speed up. There could well be nothing in that, Seb may very well have been thinking independently about the gap ahead of him, not caring about his engineer and also not meaning to upset his team mate. But with the existing tensions and opportunities on the table, it will leave CLC dubious at the least.Interestingly it was mentioned that a tow would be optimised at about 6 seconds from the lead car for the two straights, with CLC backing off from 3.5 to 5.2 in that failed Q3 run the Ferrari plan may have well been to use that.
Edited by TheDeuce on Saturday 30th November 20:45
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
I’m just watching back the session, flicking between the world fee (sky coms), pitlane (with a chap who is actually ok to listen to) and the onboards.
Interestingly it was mentioned that a tow would be optimised at about 6 seconds from the lead car for the two straights, with CLC backing off from 3.5 to 5.2 in that failed Q3 run the Ferrari plan may have well been to use that.
That may be true but CLC's issue was that seb was already slowing - when his engineer was telling them both to speed up. There could well be nothing in that, Seb may very well have been thinking independently about the gap ahead of him, not caring about his engineer and also not meaning to upset his team mate. But with the existing tensions and opportunities on the table, it will leave CLC dubious at the least.Interestingly it was mentioned that a tow would be optimised at about 6 seconds from the lead car for the two straights, with CLC backing off from 3.5 to 5.2 in that failed Q3 run the Ferrari plan may have well been to use that.
I’ve watched it back on the CLC on board with the live radio, they were all slowing before the final corner to get a launch (see sebs spin in Q1), I’ve got a shot of the track showing the gap to the pack, but the picture upload devise is not working I’ll try later.
Edited by Deesee on Saturday 30th November 20:48
Deesee said:
Here’s the gap as they were leaving the pitlane.
I’ve watched it back on the CLC on board with the live radio, they were all slowing before the final corner to get a launch (see sebs spin in Q1), I’ve got a shot of the track showing the gap, but the picture upload devise is not working I’ll try later.
I'll take your word for it. My point though was that, justified or not, CLC felt Seb was slowing him up. He's not in a trusting place with his team mate is he? And very happy to infer as much via open radio. I’ve watched it back on the CLC on board with the live radio, they were all slowing before the final corner to get a launch (see sebs spin in Q1), I’ve got a shot of the track showing the gap, but the picture upload devise is not working I’ll try later.
TheDeuce said:
I'll take your word for it. My point though was that, justified or not, CLC felt Seb was slowing him up. He's not in a trusting place with his team mate is he? And very happy to infer as much via open radio.
ParanoiaSpot the sector times (S3) and the track maps, see who went slow... not a red car, Ferrari played the game by going out last and failed. Albon and Carlos had the right to slow to set a the time, just as everyone else did in front.
Deesee said:
Paranoia
Spot the sector times (S3) and the track maps, see who went slow... not a red car, Ferrari played the game by going out last and failed. Albon and Carlos had the right to slow to set a the time, just as everyone else did in front.
The problem I think (in CLC's mind perhaps) is that Seb was asked to speed up and did not, citing traffic ahead. If he had sped up, CLC could have sped up too.Spot the sector times (S3) and the track maps, see who went slow... not a red car, Ferrari played the game by going out last and failed. Albon and Carlos had the right to slow to set a the time, just as everyone else did in front.
At least that's what the radio chatter seemed to suggest. It doesn't mean Seb was being vindictive by not speeding up when asked. But yea, paranoia exists.
TheDeuce said:
The problem I think (in CLC's mind perhaps) is that Seb was asked to speed up and did not, citing traffic ahead. If he had sped up, CLC could have sped up too.
At least that's what the radio chatter seemed to suggest. It doesn't mean Seb was being vindictive by not speeding up when asked. But yea, paranoia exists.
He did speed up he did a 59 in the final sector while sainz and Albon did a 73 and 67 in the final sector, and that’s what the timing shows.At least that's what the radio chatter seemed to suggest. It doesn't mean Seb was being vindictive by not speeding up when asked. But yea, paranoia exists.
Look at the map above and see the gap, on he outlap, they were 4 turns behind.
Seb speed up as he would not have made the flag, and probably compromised his tyres and battery to do so.
And...Charles really slowed on the final corner to get the launch mode he wanted (mode push), then ran into a red light.
Deesee said:
He did speed up he did a 59 in the final sector while sainz and Albon did a 73 and 67 in the final sector, and that’s what the timing shows.
Look at the map above and see the gap, on he outlap, they were 4 turns behind.
Seb speed up as he would not have made the flag, and probably compromised his tyres and battery to do so.
And...Charles really slowed on the final corner to get the launch mode he wanted (mode push), then ran into a red light.
So by your interpretation, Charles caused himself to miss the line by hanging out for push mode, not because of his comments about seb slowing ahead? Look at the map above and see the gap, on he outlap, they were 4 turns behind.
Seb speed up as he would not have made the flag, and probably compromised his tyres and battery to do so.
And...Charles really slowed on the final corner to get the launch mode he wanted (mode push), then ran into a red light.
Interesting... If so he doesn't trust his race engineer. If not, he really doesn't trust seb.
Whichever way you look at it, it's incompetent. I like Binotto, he makes it obvious when he's towing the party line and doesn't throw anyone under a bus, but he hasn't got his team's s
t together.
History suggests Ferrari don't have a lot of patience
Hamilton will want a better team performance when he joins.
t together.History suggests Ferrari don't have a lot of patience
Hamilton will want a better team performance when he joins.
janesmith1950 said:
Whichever way you look at it, it's incompetent. I like Binotto, he makes it obvious when he's towing the party line and doesn't throw anyone under a bus, but he hasn't got his team's st together.
History suggests Ferrari don't have a lot of patience
Hamilton will want a better team performance when he joins.
I refuse to rise to 'when he joins'.... Pfft.t together.History suggests Ferrari don't have a lot of patience
Hamilton will want a better team performance when he joins.
Anyway. History also suggests that Ferrari breed driver discontent and suspicion of one another. All very well if that's how they roll - but right now they have two alpha drivers and the more BS either driver suspects from the team, the more unruly they will be on track. I think CLC is being rather less compliant than they expected as a result. He's also massively popular though, as is seb. Ferrari like popular drivers. They like a compliant number 2 driver too. Time to find out what matters most to them I guess..
No matter what Ferrari concoct behind the scenes to influence their drivers, they now have two drivers both sharp enough to find a way to quietly undermine whatever they fear the team plan was for them.
It's an interesting evolving dynamic! Traditionally Ferrari would sack off CLC for not playing ball in his first year, to make an example. He's a bit too popular for that though.
TheDeuce said:
So by your interpretation, Charles caused himself to miss the line by hanging out for push mode, not because of his comments about seb slowing ahead?
Interesting... If so he doesn't trust his race engineer. If not, he really doesn't trust seb.
Interesting... If so he doesn't trust his race engineer. If not, he really doesn't trust seb.
Duel onboard at the same time
Final corner. Before launch, they all crawled at this stage.
Zoom in on Vettel you’ll see Albon
Zoom in on Leclerc you’ll see Seb & Albon.
Seb did not slow, he was 12/14 seconds quicker than Albon and Sainz in sector 3.
Anyway Hamilton bossed the pole lap.
Here’s Ham vs CLC
https://twitter.com/f1/status/1200871369489240064?...
Here’s Ham vs CLC
https://twitter.com/f1/status/1200871369489240064?...
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