Zandvoort 2020
Discussion
coppice said:
Makes one wonder how so many Grands Prix have been held in Monaco ... And do folk return from Anglesey to find their cars have dissolved Both are much , much closer to the wet stuff than Zandvoort
A good point. We used to race at Anglesey and well remember the sand trapped by the air filter, we used to clean it several times over a weekendNever had or expected any corrosion issues though. I can’t see how the potentially affected components could be wet with salt water long enough for that to occur.
REALIST123 said:
A good point. We used to race at Anglesey and well remember the sand trapped by the air filter, we used to clean it several times over a weekend
Never had or expected any corrosion issues though. I can’t see how the potentially affected components could be wet with salt water long enough for that to occur.
It's just that more frequent exposure to salt inevitably causes corrosion faster than being inland. Only really an issue for road cars and even then not a big issue. An old honda civic might have rusty wheel arches a year sooner if kept by the coast and used daily...Never had or expected any corrosion issues though. I can’t see how the potentially affected components could be wet with salt water long enough for that to occur.
Can't imagine an occasional use track or race car would really be affected as regards corrosion though, not to a noticeable extent at least.
REALIST123 said:
A good point. We used to race at Anglesey and well remember the sand trapped by the air filter, we used to clean it several times over a weekend
Does the sand have a noticeable effect on grip there? Zandfoort is in a very flat area with a huge beach and tends to be pretty windy so I'd assume a fair bit of sand gets blown on to the track.coppice said:
Makes one wonder how so many Grands Prix have been held in Monaco ... And do folk return from Anglesey to find their cars have dissolved Both are much , much closer to the wet stuff than Zandvoort
I have race prepared and run F1 cars at all 3 venues you list. Zandvoort has been unique in how saturated with salt the rain is there, due no doubt to the nature of cloud creation and wind experienced off the north sea.I was quite stunned to see how drips of water off the car crystallised as they dried, something i have not seen in Monaco or Anglesey.
TheDeuce said:
It's just that more frequent exposure to salt inevitably causes corrosion faster than being inland. Only really an issue for road cars and even then not a big issue. An old honda civic might have rusty wheel arches a year sooner if kept by the coast and used daily...
Can't imagine an occasional use track or race car would really be affected as regards corrosion though, not to a noticeable extent at least.
I guess you have never stripped an F1 car after a wet race then. Water gets rammed into everything and washes out grease where it can get to it. It very much depends on the seals you run, great sealing capacity has trade offs against friction, so there are compromises made which may need assessing for this new environment. Can't imagine an occasional use track or race car would really be affected as regards corrosion though, not to a noticeable extent at least.
One of the most surprising places it gets is into cv joints via the boot breather, if you dont get all the water out the next heat cycle has the grease explode out of the joint boot as the water turns to steam when the joint gets to 100 deg C.
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
It's just that more frequent exposure to salt inevitably causes corrosion faster than being inland. Only really an issue for road cars and even then not a big issue. An old honda civic might have rusty wheel arches a year sooner if kept by the coast and used daily...
Can't imagine an occasional use track or race car would really be affected as regards corrosion though, not to a noticeable extent at least.
I guess you have never stripped an F1 car after a wet race then. Water gets rammed into everything and washes out grease where it can get to it. It very much depends on the seals you run, great sealing capacity has trade offs against friction, so there are compromises made which may need assessing for this new environment. Can't imagine an occasional use track or race car would really be affected as regards corrosion though, not to a noticeable extent at least.
One of the most surprising places it gets is into cv joints via the boot breather, if you dont get all the water out the next heat cycle has the grease explode out of the joint boot as the water turns to steam when the joint gets to 100 deg C.
But specifically what extra problem does salt in the water cause for an F1 car? I'm sure as salt is corrosive it would cause obvious problems if left... But assuming the car is well cleaned after each session does the salt actually cause a problem during the session?
RizzoTheRat said:
REALIST123 said:
A good point. We used to race at Anglesey and well remember the sand trapped by the air filter, we used to clean it several times over a weekend
Does the sand have a noticeable effect on grip there? Zandfoort is in a very flat area with a huge beach and tends to be pretty windy so I'd assume a fair bit of sand gets blown on to the track.I think you'd need quite a bit of sand to affect grip, but probably not very much to dramatically increase tyre wear.
People have been racing at zandvoort for a long time though, so I'm sure they have considered the risks and whatever they need to do to limit them.
Just signed up for email alert for ticket sales to this one. I think I'll have to be both lucky and fast to get a pair of tickets....! But If I have a new years mission as an F1 fan, it's this GP.
There's a very high chance of some unusual results as the teams deal with a new type of circuit for the maiden year, and also a guarantee of the finest (for a none Tifosi..) atmosphere of any GP this new season
Anyone else keen to go?
There's a very high chance of some unusual results as the teams deal with a new type of circuit for the maiden year, and also a guarantee of the finest (for a none Tifosi..) atmosphere of any GP this new season
Anyone else keen to go?
Very keen - I mentioned above that I went to the last Dutch GP in 85 and it'd be great to go back. Massive crowd will add to the appeal but brings its own issues (not something one can say about Baku's 'crowd ' ..) so mulling it over . Already going to Classique Monaco and that won't be cheap ...
Chalet within walking distance is at least 2800eu for the weekend.
Good job we've got a camper, just need to find somewhere legal and local to park it...
I'm not able to find anything yet, but I assume there will be F1 assisted camping at the local sites, just like how it's done at Spa. Does anyone know anything about this?
Found this on https://dutchgp.com/en/faq/ for people wondering the same question:
Could I spend the night in a camper on the parking lot (in Zandvoort or at P&R)?
No, staying overnight in a (temporary) parking lot is prohibited. More information about accommodation options for people with caravans and campers will follow as soon as possible and will be communicated personally with the visitors.
Good job we've got a camper, just need to find somewhere legal and local to park it...
I'm not able to find anything yet, but I assume there will be F1 assisted camping at the local sites, just like how it's done at Spa. Does anyone know anything about this?
Found this on https://dutchgp.com/en/faq/ for people wondering the same question:
Could I spend the night in a camper on the parking lot (in Zandvoort or at P&R)?
No, staying overnight in a (temporary) parking lot is prohibited. More information about accommodation options for people with caravans and campers will follow as soon as possible and will be communicated personally with the visitors.
Edited by andycaca on Tuesday 7th January 20:59
andycaca said:
Chalet within walking distance is at least 2800eu for the weekend.
Good job we've got a camper, just need to find somewhere legal and local to park it...
I'm not able to find anything yet, but I assume there will be F1 assisted camping at the local sites, just like how it's done at Spa. Does anyone know anything about this?
Found this on https://dutchgp.com/en/faq/ for people wondering the same question:
Could I spend the night in a camper on the parking lot (in Zandvoort or at P&R)?
No, staying overnight in a (temporary) parking lot is prohibited. More information about accommodation options for people with caravans and campers will follow as soon as possible and will be communicated personally with the visitors.
From Camping F1 Good job we've got a camper, just need to find somewhere legal and local to park it...
I'm not able to find anything yet, but I assume there will be F1 assisted camping at the local sites, just like how it's done at Spa. Does anyone know anything about this?
Found this on https://dutchgp.com/en/faq/ for people wondering the same question:
Could I spend the night in a camper on the parking lot (in Zandvoort or at P&R)?
No, staying overnight in a (temporary) parking lot is prohibited. More information about accommodation options for people with caravans and campers will follow as soon as possible and will be communicated personally with the visitors.
Edited by andycaca on Tuesday 7th January 20:59
Important News - Dutch F1 2020
Unfortunately, we will not be offering camping at the Dutch Grand Prix in 2020. For those still interested in this event that have not yet purchased a race ticket, Formula1.com have now released their ticket sales for this event. It is likely that these will sell very quickly. The official Dutch GP website, state that more information regarding overnight accommodation for those with caravans and campers will follow shortly.
jonny142 said:
From Camping F1
Important News - Dutch F1 2020
Unfortunately, we will not be offering camping at the Dutch Grand Prix in 2020. For those still interested in this event that have not yet purchased a race ticket, Formula1.com have now released their ticket sales for this event. It is likely that these will sell very quickly. The official Dutch GP website, state that more information regarding overnight accommodation for those with caravans and campers will follow shortly.
Maybe something like this?Important News - Dutch F1 2020
Unfortunately, we will not be offering camping at the Dutch Grand Prix in 2020. For those still interested in this event that have not yet purchased a race ticket, Formula1.com have now released their ticket sales for this event. It is likely that these will sell very quickly. The official Dutch GP website, state that more information regarding overnight accommodation for those with caravans and campers will follow shortly.
https://www.qurios.com/specials/formula-1-zandvoor...
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