F1 Monaco winners

F1 Monaco winners

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ELUSIVEJIM

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7,731 posts

99 months

Monday 2nd December
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Looking at the past winners of the Monaco GP we have the following drivers.

Ayrton Senna - 6 Wins 1987, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993
Graham Hill - 5 Wins 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969
Michael Schumacher - 5 wins 1994, 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001
Alain Prost - 4 wins - 1984, 1985, 1986, 1988

The top two drivers with Monaco wins who are currently on the F1 grid is Lewis Hamilton with 3 wins in 2008, 2016, 2019 and Sebastian Vettel with 2 wins in 2011, 2017.

Hamilton is looking set to beat many of Schumacher's records but does anyone think Senna's Monaco target will ever be beaten?

Flooble

1,950 posts

48 months

Monday 2nd December
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Probably not in our lifetimes. I guess possibly Leclerc and/or Verstappen are young enough to potentially get into a car which dominates for long enough to score a tally of 7 wins. Realistically each of them have 15 years' or so to do it - just enough for their team(s) to have 2x periods of domination (4 years apiece) with one period in between where they are not in a winning car.

TheDeuce

3,753 posts

14 months

Monday 2nd December
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Flooble said:
Probably not in our lifetimes. I guess possibly Leclerc and/or Verstappen are young enough to potentially get into a car which dominates for long enough to score a tally of 7 wins. Realistically each of them have 15 years' or so to do it - just enough for their team(s) to have 2x periods of domination (4 years apiece) with one period in between where they are not in a winning car.
Agree. Monaco these days, with the cars the size they are so fragile... It's not talent that wins Monaco so much as luck and fortune - or getting away with being overly brave in quali to start at the front. Too many random factors for any driver to have much of a chance of equalling Senna's record at that circuit.

If overtaking (without taking a huge risk) were possible amongst the top cars, it would be different.

None of that is a criticism of Monaco though. It's a stupid place to host a GP these days, but it's one of my favourite weekends each season.

moffspeed

902 posts

155 months

Monday 2nd December
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Not forgetting that your odds of winning were improved prior to 1971 as the race was restricted to 16 cars. I guess the cars were tougher too - you could clatter the barrier and possibly get away with it. Many teams in the 60’s had their Monaco specials - cars with truncated noses and other mods such as nerf bars to protect the gearbox.

Hill and Senna in particular just seemed to have some special gift that made them untouchable at Monaco. Notable non-winners at Monaco have included Damon Hill, Mansell, Surtees and Jimmy Clark who didn’t even score a podium in 7 visits .

ELUSIVEJIM

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7,731 posts

99 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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moffspeed said:
Not forgetting that your odds of winning were improved prior to 1971 as the race was restricted to 16 cars. I guess the cars were tougher too - you could clatter the barrier and possibly get away with it. Many teams in the 60’s had their Monaco specials - cars with truncated noses and other mods such as nerf bars to protect the gearbox.

Hill and Senna in particular just seemed to have some special gift that made them untouchable at Monaco. Notable non-winners at Monaco have included Damon Hill, Mansell, Surtees and Jimmy Clark who didn’t even score a podium in 7 visits .
A few including Hill and Mansell were very close but just had misfortune.

Others could have increased their amazing records as well which is unbelievable is some cases.

Senna, for instance, could have had 8 wins had it not been for the early stoppage at Monaco in 1984 and his famous mistake in the 1988 race when he was leading comfortably.

Clark is the biggest surprise not to have won at Monaco.

shibby!

875 posts

146 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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Doesnt Nico Rosberg have a fair amount of wins?

I thought it was 4? Im sure it was 3 of them in a row.


Eric Mc

108,207 posts

213 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
A few including Hill and Mansell were very close but just had misfortune.

Others could have increased their amazing records as well which is unbelievable is some cases.

Senna, for instance, could have had 8 wins had it not been for the early stoppage at Monaco in 1984 and his famous mistake in the 1988 race when he was leading comfortably.

Clark is the biggest surprise not to have won at Monaco.
Clark actually skipped it one year (1965) to race in the Indy 500 (he still won the WDC that year anyway).

The Surveyor

6,957 posts

185 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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I've just finished reading the book about the Manaco GP by Malcolm Folley, a decent read and highlights how special the race is to the drivers.

The stat I was most impressed by was that only two drivers stood on the top step of the podium for a whole decade, from 84 to 93 it was shared between Prost and Senna

Muzzer79

2,956 posts

135 months

Tuesday 3rd December
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shibby! said:
Doesnt Nico Rosberg have a fair amount of wins?

I thought it was 4? Im sure it was 3 of them in a row.
3

2013, 2014, 2015

I think Senna came from an era when the driver made much more difference than now, so on a circuit like Monaco (which he liked) he would dominate.

Nowadays the margins are so fine and the circuits so car dependent, no I can't see his record being broken unless there is a freakish period of dominance by one team and one driver.

moffspeed

902 posts

155 months

Wednesday 4th December
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Eric Mc said:
Clark actually skipped it one year (1965) to race in the Indy 500 (he still won the WDC that year anyway).
Clark 1965, now that would make a good film..

Dominates in F1, nips over the pond to win the Indy 500, wins the Tasman championship down under and a few F2 wins to boot. Jumps into a Lotus Cortina and wins 2 rounds (one being a class win) in what we now call the BTCC. Also had time to attempt to tame the unloved Lotus 30 in sports car racing and dragged it to some results it didn’t deserve.

The following year he was setting fastest stage times in the RAC Rally onboard a Lotus Cortina.

2 years earlier in 1964 he took Patrick Lindsay’s pre war ERA for a few laps of Rouen, just for fun. Legend has it that on his first flying lap he bettered the best lap time set by the car’s very competent and rapid owner by some 4 seconds.

A very special talent...

ELUSIVEJIM

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7,731 posts

99 months

Wednesday 4th December
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moffspeed said:
Clark 1965, now that would make a good film..

Dominates in F1, nips over the pond to win the Indy 500, wins the Tasman championship down under and a few F2 wins to boot. Jumps into a Lotus Cortina and wins 2 rounds (one being a class win) in what we now call the BTCC. Also had time to attempt to tame the unloved Lotus 30 in sports car racing and dragged it to some results it didn’t deserve.

The following year he was setting fastest stage times in the RAC Rally onboard a Lotus Cortina.

2 years earlier in 1964 he took Patrick Lindsay’s pre war ERA for a few laps of Rouen, just for fun. Legend has it that on his first flying lap he bettered the best lap time set by the car’s very competent and rapid owner by some 4 seconds.

A very special talent...
Sounds like a fake Hollywood film but it's fact which is unbelievable.

Perhaps if films like Le Man 66/Ford vs Ferrari do well then we could see a Jim Clark film in the future.

How is it even possible he was Scottish laugh Not like us at all biggrin

HardtopManual

1,263 posts

114 months

Wednesday 4th December
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Muzzer79 said:
Nowadays the margins are so fine and the circuits so car dependent, no I can't see his record being broken unless there is a freakish period of dominance by one team and one driver.
...and it would have to be sustained dominance at a circuit unlike any other in the season, so very freakish indeed.

Kinkell

502 posts

135 months

Wednesday 4th December
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
moffspeed said:
Clark 1965, now that would make a good film..

Dominates in F1, nips over the pond to win the Indy 500, wins the Tasman championship down under and a few F2 wins to boot. Jumps into a Lotus Cortina and wins 2 rounds (one being a class win) in what we now call the BTCC. Also had time to attempt to tame the unloved Lotus 30 in sports car racing and dragged it to some results it didn’t deserve.

The following year he was setting fastest stage times in the RAC Rally onboard a Lotus Cortina.

2 years earlier in 1964 he took Patrick Lindsay’s pre war ERA for a few laps of Rouen, just for fun. Legend has it that on his first flying lap he bettered the best lap time set by the car’s very competent and rapid owner by some 4 seconds.

A very special talent...
Sounds like a fake Hollywood film but it's fact which is unbelievable.

Perhaps if films like Le Man 66/Ford vs Ferrari do well then we could see a Jim Clark film in the future.

How is it even possible he was Scottish laugh Not like us at all biggrin
It's only a matter of time before Hollywood picks this up. He ticks all the boxes for a moving, quiet genius, dies young type movie. God rest his soul and I'm not religious in any way.