F1 TV audience dwindling.
Discussion
MissChief said:
WJNB said:
Of course the numbers are dwindling. The last time I attempted to watch an F1 race I dozed off after the first couple of laps because it became just a tedious procession & thus the commentators desperate for something to say & finishing up saying nothing of interest plus of course everybody knew who was going to win the race.
I now prefer to watch real men riding motorbikes & not a diamond ear stud in sight.
I know of at least 4 MotoGP Riders past and present that have ear piercings so your point doesn't make any sense. Also in MotoGP you pretty much know that Marc Marquez will win the race. I now prefer to watch real men riding motorbikes & not a diamond ear stud in sight.
Regarding modern F1 the races are FAR more competitive and the cars more evenly matched now than they've ever been. To say racing now is dull makes a mockery of some of the races in the so called 'heyday' of F1 to some people and the races then.
Cars often finished double digit seconds behind each other. 1/3 of the field often retired with mechanical issues. It wasn't unheard of for only three or four cars to be on the lead lap.
Britain 1985. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Rosberg, Lauda. The times people rave about. Prost finished a lap ahead of second. A whole lap! If you don't think Alain was nursing his car like f
king buggery for 3/4 of the race then you don't know F1 at all. Brazil 1989. TWELVE cars retired and 6 were on the lead lap.
Brazil 1992 TWO cars finished on the lead lap. TWO!. The gap? 29.330 seconds. Enthralling I'm sure you'll agree. SIXTEEN cars retired. That's more than finished the race!
1995 British GP. Five cars finished on the lead lap. The last points paying position, 6th, was a lap down!
Lets jump ahead, 2005 British GP. . Cars were getting more reliable it's true, but the gulf in money was also taking it's toll. Nine cars finished on the lead lap.
This year's GP 13 cars finished on the lead lap. There were three retirements. The Hass's crashed into each other (
) and Giovanazzi spun and retired. Reliability is streets ahead of where it used to be compared to even ten years ago. F1 wasn't 'better' then. Some just wear pink glasses and only remember the brief on-track fights that were sporadic in the extreme.Edited by MissChief on Friday 31st January 21:39
MissChief said:
I know of at least 4 MotoGP Riders past and present that have ear piercings so your point doesn't make any sense. Also in MotoGP you pretty much know that Marc Marquez will win the race.
Regarding modern F1 the races are FAR more competitive and the cars more evenly matched now than they've ever been. To say racing now is dull makes a mockery of some of the races in the so called 'heyday' of F1 to some people and the races then.
Cars often finished double digit seconds behind each other. 1/3 of the field often retired with mechanical issues. It wasn't unheard of for only three or four cars to be on the lead lap.
Britain 1985. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Rosberg, Lauda. The times people rave about. Prost finished a lap ahead of second. A whole lap! If you don't think Alain was nursing his car like fking buggery for 3/4 of the race then you don't know F1 at all.
Brazil 1989. TWELVE cars retired and 6 were on the lead lap.
Brazil 1992 TWO cars finished on the lead lap. TWO!. The gap? 29.330 seconds. Enthralling I'm sure you'll agree. SIXTEEN cars retired. That's more than finished the race!
1995 British GP. Five cars finished on the lead lap. The last points paying position, 6th, was a lap down!
Lets jump ahead, 2005 British GP. . Cars were getting more reliable it's true, but the gulf in money was also taking it's toll. Nine cars finished on the lead lap.
This year's GP 13 cars finished on the lead lap. There were three retirements. The Hass's crashed into each other () and Giovanazzi spun and retired. Reliability is streets ahead of where it used to be compared to even ten years ago. F1 wasn't 'better' then. Some just wear pink glasses and only remember the brief on-track fights that were sporadic in the extreme.
You can have really competitive horse races/tennis matches/cricket matches. It doesn't mean they are interesting to people who don't follow those sports.Regarding modern F1 the races are FAR more competitive and the cars more evenly matched now than they've ever been. To say racing now is dull makes a mockery of some of the races in the so called 'heyday' of F1 to some people and the races then.
Cars often finished double digit seconds behind each other. 1/3 of the field often retired with mechanical issues. It wasn't unheard of for only three or four cars to be on the lead lap.
Britain 1985. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Rosberg, Lauda. The times people rave about. Prost finished a lap ahead of second. A whole lap! If you don't think Alain was nursing his car like f
king buggery for 3/4 of the race then you don't know F1 at all. Brazil 1989. TWELVE cars retired and 6 were on the lead lap.
Brazil 1992 TWO cars finished on the lead lap. TWO!. The gap? 29.330 seconds. Enthralling I'm sure you'll agree. SIXTEEN cars retired. That's more than finished the race!
1995 British GP. Five cars finished on the lead lap. The last points paying position, 6th, was a lap down!
Lets jump ahead, 2005 British GP. . Cars were getting more reliable it's true, but the gulf in money was also taking it's toll. Nine cars finished on the lead lap.
This year's GP 13 cars finished on the lead lap. There were three retirements. The Hass's crashed into each other (
) and Giovanazzi spun and retired. Reliability is streets ahead of where it used to be compared to even ten years ago. F1 wasn't 'better' then. Some just wear pink glasses and only remember the brief on-track fights that were sporadic in the extreme.Edited by MissChief on Friday 31st January 21:39
I've fallen out of love with modern F1. Watching hideous cars with boring "corporate clone" drivers on anodyne circuits is of no interest to me, no matter how close the racing may be.
And if mongolians or Vietnamese find it all really exciting, that is of even less interest to me.
It's finished as a spectacle as far as I'm concerned. Even if it does come back to free to air, the damage is done, the world has changed and F1 is on the slide.
Eric Mc said:
You can have really competitive horse races/tennis matches/cricket matches. It doesn't mean they are interesting to people who don't follow those sports.
I've fallen out of love with modern F1. Watching hideous cars with boring "corporate clone" drivers on anodyne circuits is of no interest to me, no matter how close the racing may be.
And if mongolians or Vietnamese find it all really exciting, that is of even less interest to me.
It's finished as a spectacle as far as I'm concerned. Even if it does come back to free to air, the damage is done, the world has changed and F1 is on the slide.
At least you're not bitter about it I've fallen out of love with modern F1. Watching hideous cars with boring "corporate clone" drivers on anodyne circuits is of no interest to me, no matter how close the racing may be.
And if mongolians or Vietnamese find it all really exciting, that is of even less interest to me.
It's finished as a spectacle as far as I'm concerned. Even if it does come back to free to air, the damage is done, the world has changed and F1 is on the slide.
MissChief said:
I know of at least 4 MotoGP Riders past and present that have ear piercings so your point doesn't make any sense. Also in MotoGP you pretty much know that Marc Marquez will win the race.
Regarding modern F1 the races are FAR more competitive and the cars more evenly matched now than they've ever been. To say racing now is dull makes a mockery of some of the races in the so called 'heyday' of F1 to some people and the races then.
Cars often finished double digit seconds behind each other. 1/3 of the field often retired with mechanical issues. It wasn't unheard of for only three or four cars to be on the lead lap.
Britain 1985. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Rosberg, Lauda. The times people rave about. Prost finished a lap ahead of second. A whole lap! If you don't think Alain was nursing his car like fking buggery for 3/4 of the race then you don't know F1 at all.
Brazil 1989. TWELVE cars retired and 6 were on the lead lap.
Brazil 1992 TWO cars finished on the lead lap. TWO!. The gap? 29.330 seconds.
Enthralling I'm sure you'll agree. SIXTEEN cars retired. That's more than finished the race!
1995 British GP. Five cars finished on the lead lap. The last points paying position, 6th, was a lap down!
Lets jump ahead, 2005 British GP. . Cars were getting more reliable it's true, but the gulf in money was also taking it's toll. Nine cars finished on the lead lap.
This year's GP 13 cars finished on the lead lap. There were three retirements. The Hass's crashed into each other () and Giovanazzi spun and retired. Reliability is streets ahead of where it used to be compared to even ten years ago. F1 wasn't 'better' then. Some just wear pink glasses and only remember the brief on-track fights that were sporadic in the extreme.
2019 was the most exciting season I can remember, and I can remember quite a few. Regarding modern F1 the races are FAR more competitive and the cars more evenly matched now than they've ever been. To say racing now is dull makes a mockery of some of the races in the so called 'heyday' of F1 to some people and the races then.
Cars often finished double digit seconds behind each other. 1/3 of the field often retired with mechanical issues. It wasn't unheard of for only three or four cars to be on the lead lap.
Britain 1985. Mansell, Senna, Prost, Rosberg, Lauda. The times people rave about. Prost finished a lap ahead of second. A whole lap! If you don't think Alain was nursing his car like f
king buggery for 3/4 of the race then you don't know F1 at all. Brazil 1989. TWELVE cars retired and 6 were on the lead lap.
Brazil 1992 TWO cars finished on the lead lap. TWO!. The gap? 29.330 seconds.
Enthralling I'm sure you'll agree. SIXTEEN cars retired. That's more than finished the race!
1995 British GP. Five cars finished on the lead lap. The last points paying position, 6th, was a lap down!
Lets jump ahead, 2005 British GP. . Cars were getting more reliable it's true, but the gulf in money was also taking it's toll. Nine cars finished on the lead lap.
This year's GP 13 cars finished on the lead lap. There were three retirements. The Hass's crashed into each other (
) and Giovanazzi spun and retired. Reliability is streets ahead of where it used to be compared to even ten years ago. F1 wasn't 'better' then. Some just wear pink glasses and only remember the brief on-track fights that were sporadic in the extreme.Edited by MissChief on Friday 31st January 21:39
The peak for fandom in the UK included the 1987 British GP. It was, to me, the most thrilling GP I've ever been to. I couldn't speak the following day through cheering. Yet just three cars finished on the lead lap. Anyone not in love with the sport, or posters on forums, would have said that the race was boring.
However, as you say, most races were significantly less exciting than most races last season. I am sorry that fans of yesterday who are no longer entranced by the sport. However, I’m not sure why they post on a fans' forum. If, as they say, they’ll never come back to it, then, well, the answer is obvious. Are they trying to pollute current fans with their supposed disinterest?
There’s no doubt in my mind that fans will look back at 2019 and say it was a classic season, and that they wish they’d been followers of the sport then. That is, unless 2020 is even better. Unlikely I know. There were a few boring races last season, but, despite the 21 races, the number was as low as it has ever been and, as a percentage, it was the lowest of any season I can remember.
People say it was all so predictable. Well it is once the racing’s over, but at the start of the season, things were up for grabs. It was only the collapse of the Ferrari challenge – they were on the front row at Bahrain, and Leclerk was well in the lead up until seven or eight laps from the end – that handed the races to Merc and RB.
I say the collapse of Ferrari, but it also included the collapse of Vettel. Whichever was the most influential is arguable. To any fan, Vettel's abysmal season is, of itself, fascinating and, to most I bet, very sad. A champion embarrassed by a boy; it was compulsive viewing, but I felt sorry for the chap. It's what sport is all about though.
We've seen, over recent seasons, the maturing of one of the greatest WDCs of the pose war period; or to put it another way, since the WDC came about. Like him or dislike him, the sport will be the poorer when he leaves. It's been great to watch. There will be books about him when he hangs up his helmet. I'll buy a couple at least.
OK, so there's money in it and it can pollute (my main sport is rugby, and what happened with the Saries is a case in point), but it is a fact of all high level sport.
A wonderful season. Yet all some do is moan about it.
A bit of a rant and I'm sorry, but I feel the better for it.
Derek Smith said:
2019 was the most exciting season I can remember, and I can remember quite a few.
The peak for fandom in the UK included the 1987 British GP. It was, to me, the most thrilling GP I've ever been to. I couldn't speak the following day through cheering. Yet just three cars finished on the lead lap. Anyone not in love with the sport, or posters on forums, would have said that the race was boring.
However, as you say, most races were significantly less exciting than most races last season. I am sorry that fans of yesterday who are no longer entranced by the sport. However, I’m not sure why they post on a fans' forum. If, as they say, they’ll never come back to it, then, well, the answer is obvious. Are they trying to pollute current fans with their supposed disinterest?
There’s no doubt in my mind that fans will look back at 2019 and say it was a classic season, and that they wish they’d been followers of the sport then. That is, unless 2020 is even better. Unlikely I know. There were a few boring races last season, but, despite the 21 races, the number was as low as it has ever been and, as a percentage, it was the lowest of any season I can remember.
People say it was all so predictable. Well it is once the racing’s over, but at the start of the season, things were up for grabs. It was only the collapse of the Ferrari challenge – they were on the front row at Bahrain, and Leclerk was well in the lead up until seven or eight laps from the end – that handed the races to Merc and RB.
I say the collapse of Ferrari, but it also included the collapse of Vettel. Whichever was the most influential is arguable. To any fan, Vettel's abysmal season is, of itself, fascinating and, to most I bet, very sad. A champion embarrassed by a boy; it was compulsive viewing, but I felt sorry for the chap. It's what sport is all about though.
We've seen, over recent seasons, the maturing of one of the greatest WDCs of the pose war period; or to put it another way, since the WDC came about. Like him or dislike him, the sport will be the poorer when he leaves. It's been great to watch. There will be books about him when he hangs up his helmet. I'll buy a couple at least.
OK, so there's money in it and it can pollute (my main sport is rugby, and what happened with the Saries is a case in point), but it is a fact of all high level sport.
A wonderful season. Yet all some do is moan about it.
A bit of a rant and I'm sorry, but I feel the better for it.
It's a fair enough rant.The peak for fandom in the UK included the 1987 British GP. It was, to me, the most thrilling GP I've ever been to. I couldn't speak the following day through cheering. Yet just three cars finished on the lead lap. Anyone not in love with the sport, or posters on forums, would have said that the race was boring.
However, as you say, most races were significantly less exciting than most races last season. I am sorry that fans of yesterday who are no longer entranced by the sport. However, I’m not sure why they post on a fans' forum. If, as they say, they’ll never come back to it, then, well, the answer is obvious. Are they trying to pollute current fans with their supposed disinterest?
There’s no doubt in my mind that fans will look back at 2019 and say it was a classic season, and that they wish they’d been followers of the sport then. That is, unless 2020 is even better. Unlikely I know. There were a few boring races last season, but, despite the 21 races, the number was as low as it has ever been and, as a percentage, it was the lowest of any season I can remember.
People say it was all so predictable. Well it is once the racing’s over, but at the start of the season, things were up for grabs. It was only the collapse of the Ferrari challenge – they were on the front row at Bahrain, and Leclerk was well in the lead up until seven or eight laps from the end – that handed the races to Merc and RB.
I say the collapse of Ferrari, but it also included the collapse of Vettel. Whichever was the most influential is arguable. To any fan, Vettel's abysmal season is, of itself, fascinating and, to most I bet, very sad. A champion embarrassed by a boy; it was compulsive viewing, but I felt sorry for the chap. It's what sport is all about though.
We've seen, over recent seasons, the maturing of one of the greatest WDCs of the pose war period; or to put it another way, since the WDC came about. Like him or dislike him, the sport will be the poorer when he leaves. It's been great to watch. There will be books about him when he hangs up his helmet. I'll buy a couple at least.
OK, so there's money in it and it can pollute (my main sport is rugby, and what happened with the Saries is a case in point), but it is a fact of all high level sport.
A wonderful season. Yet all some do is moan about it.
A bit of a rant and I'm sorry, but I feel the better for it.
For several years F1 did become increasingly disappointing to watch, I for one found I was watching it 'in case' something interesting occurred, not because I was expecting it to. Not good.
And that's why I was always accepting of the fair criticism people voiced online. There were endless complaints but they were frankly justified. I could believe those complaining were at heart long standing fans that had become frustrated - I joined the complaining after the really dull races!
But then, 2019.. it's hard to compare 'best' seasons in F1 directly, but if there was a list of best seasons, 2019 belongs in that list. And crucially the things that made 2019 brilliant weren't occasional, they were more or less constant through the season.
Against that huge step forward for the sport, I find it infuriating that some are still complaining. I can understand that some want the sport to return to very specific points in its history that they enjoyed and will never really be happy with the sport today, fair enough. But guys, c'mon - at least dilute your whinging with a little recognition of what has improved! Good people that have been in F1 since 'the good ol' days' have been empowered to research and drive changes to improve the sport, it seems at least fair to give a positive comment when they get it right.
Its as if a faction has formed for whom their only interaction with F1 these days is to whinge - out of habit perhaps. Or maybe because they'll never be happy again, which raises the question: what's the point in continuing to whinge?
I will continue to complain because what is presented to us now is not F1. It's some weird tecchie fest with vastly overcomplicated cars and unfathomable rules - that even the participants (and sometimes those who run the "sport") don't truly understand.
It's vast, wasteful, increasingly irrelevant - and possibly unsustainable - and a mess.
Yes, there will be some who like it. I'm not one of them.
The best days of F1 are over.
It's vast, wasteful, increasingly irrelevant - and possibly unsustainable - and a mess.
Yes, there will be some who like it. I'm not one of them.
The best days of F1 are over.
defblade said:
Derek Smith said:
We've seen, over recent seasons, the maturing of one of the greatest WDCs of the pose war period;
Yep, Hamilton's certainly won the pose war 
I've no problem accepting he's a once in a lifetime talent, bit I do cringe when he goes in to 'super cool' mode! Still, makes him happy and he's able to do what he wishes - I wouldn't have it any other way. Those hair styles though..
Eric Mc said:
I will continue to complain because what is presented to us now is not F1. It's some weird tecchie fest with vastly overcomplicated cars and unfathomable rules - that even the participants (and sometimes those who run the "sport") don't truly understand.
It's vast, wasteful, increasingly irrelevant - and possibly unsustainable - and a mess.
Yes, there will be some who like it. I'm not one of them.
The best days of F1 are over.
The only bit of that which is factual is your statement that you won't like F1 again.It's vast, wasteful, increasingly irrelevant - and possibly unsustainable - and a mess.
Yes, there will be some who like it. I'm not one of them.
The best days of F1 are over.
It's crystal clear that the vast majority don't feel the same way. Fine, you can't fathom the rules and you don't like the tech etc.. that doesn't mean the sport is broken or that everyone else is in the same boat as you.
Just be better Eric. Was 2019 better than 2017/18? And if you don't know because you haven't watched, what's the point in commenting at all? I've loved your input in other threads, but just saying 'its all crap and broken' is more akin to an emotional outburst than a contribution. This isn't about what Eric likes, it's about the sport.
TheDeuce said:
Eric Mc said:
I will continue to complain because what is presented to us now is not F1. It's some weird tecchie fest with vastly overcomplicated cars and unfathomable rules - that even the participants (and sometimes those who run the "sport") don't truly understand.
It's vast, wasteful, increasingly irrelevant - and possibly unsustainable - and a mess.
Yes, there will be some who like it. I'm not one of them.
The best days of F1 are over.
The only bit of that which is factual is your statement that you won't like F1 again.It's vast, wasteful, increasingly irrelevant - and possibly unsustainable - and a mess.
Yes, there will be some who like it. I'm not one of them.
The best days of F1 are over.
It's crystal clear that the vast majority don't feel the same way. Fine, you can't fathom the rules and you don't like the tech etc.. that doesn't mean the sport is broken or that everyone else is in the same boat as you.
Just be better Eric. Was 2019 better than 2017/18? And if you don't know because you haven't watched, what's the point in commenting at all? I've loved your input in other threads, but just saying 'its all crap and broken' is more akin to an emotional outburst than a contribution. This isn't about what Eric likes, it's about the sport.
As for the technical bit, you can enjoy it without knowing all the ins and outs, just like we all did in the turbo era. Most of us thought we knew a bit about it, but we didn’t understand it. I’ve read Newey’s autobio and it shows I didn’t understand much when it returned to naturally aspirated.
The sport has been run a lot better since the dreadful duo left. Todt is largely invisible, and that was how it should have been for the previous incumbent. Indianapolis was an embarrassment to F1, and sport in general, as was the massive fine.
I don’t mind anyone complaining. Just don’t do it on threads not entitled, ‘F1 moans for those who think it was better in the old days’. ‘Cause it wasn’t.
The best days of F1 might be over in 2021 because the hybrid ear’s been great.
Definitely more of a mess than it is now. It’s more professional. It’s slicker.
I loved F1 in ’66. It was great. And into ’67, ’68 etc. It’s like the weather. It changes. Fans will stick with it. Those who aren’t fans should not interrupt those who are. The times people come on these threads and suggest that they hadn’t watched the race, but it was predictable, and boring. There’s much irony in their statement.
I spoke with John Cooper at the 66 British GP. He complained that the ending was too heavy to be competitive. Those days are gone, and it’s a shame, but there’s much closer racing, with lots more excitement, than there was in those days.
Anyway, for the sport to be healthy, it needs to keep the fans interested. For that, we need seasons like 2019 and free to air. Ecclestone sabotaged F1 for the UK. We should moan about him and his little me.
Derek Smith said:
I loved F1 in ’66. It was great. And into ’67, ’68 etc. It’s like the weather. It changes. Fans will stick with it. Those who aren’t fans should not interrupt those who are. The times people come on these threads and suggest that they hadn’t watched the race, but it was predictable, and boring. There’s much irony in their statement.
This is the irritation for me. People that have a view on the recent races but then take a holier than thou approach and claim they haven't watched them! There are tragically posters on these forums that will claim they will not watch F1 again until it improves... How the hell will they know!? I firmly believe all people have a right to share their opinion. If however they share an opinion and simultaneously reveal that it's based on sod all.. I will just feel that is a wasted opinion. We all have the right to a voice... But also a responsibility to only use that voice if we have something worth sharing. Saying it's all crap unless the clock is spun back 30-40 years isn't particularly useful.
If anyone were ever to be forward thinking enough to invent a time machine, I feel very confident it won't be someone obsessed only with the past.
Eric Mc said:
I have my Scalelextric, my F1 books, my archive TV and film and my memories - I'm happy.
And there's always Goodwood if I want my fix of real F1 cars.
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?And there's always Goodwood if I want my fix of real F1 cars.
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
TheDeuce said:
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
Goodwood, i assume you mean the FOS, doesn't show the capability of an F1 car on a racing circuit. It's all a bit of a ponce, especially the modern F1 element. You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
And thats from someone who has built and run F1 cars that have won the event outright, I've also driven McLaren and March CanAm cars in the event.
Fantastic event, absolutely, showing off what F1 cars can do, not even close.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 2nd February 14:27
TheDeuce said:
Eric Mc said:
I have my Scalelextric, my F1 books, my archive TV and film and my memories - I'm happy.
And there's always Goodwood if I want my fix of real F1 cars.
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?And there's always Goodwood if I want my fix of real F1 cars.
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
Everything from soccer to snooker, there'll be fans telling you it's a very different game that's played today, on many levels, just as significant if not as visually obvious to the passing observer as F1.
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
Goodwood, i assume you mean the FOS, doesn't show the capability of an F1 car on a racing circuit. It's all a bit of a ponce, especially the modern F1 element. You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
And thats from someone who has built and run F1 cars that have won the event outright, I've also driven McLaren and March CanAm cars in the event.
Fantastic event, absolutely, showing off what F1 cars can do, not even close.
Edited by jsf on Sunday 2nd February 14:27
But I agree. You can't see an F1 car being an F1 car in anything other than a GP. The old and special ones might be able to tug the heartstrings and send us on a trip down memory lane when we see and hear them, but the memories that we are recalling are of them running in a GP!
Although one highlight from last year imo was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DN2bq60uRc
Bottas demonstrating a typically Finnish level of car and throttle control in the wet. In terms of driving precision he's fantastic. The car is still clearly in the wrong place to use even a quarter of it's potential though
Edited by TheDeuce on Sunday 2nd February 15:59
Teddy Lop said:
TheDeuce said:
Eric Mc said:
I have my Scalelextric, my F1 books, my archive TV and film and my memories - I'm happy.
And there's always Goodwood if I want my fix of real F1 cars.
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?And there's always Goodwood if I want my fix of real F1 cars.
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
Everything from soccer to snooker, there'll be fans telling you it's a very different game that's played today, on many levels, just as significant if not as visually obvious to the passing observer as F1.
Yes, it's the way of the world, all things evolve and generally improve - or at least they evolve in order to seek improvement. F1 has always been an evolutionary sport, it re-invents itself perpetually and I accept some phases of it's development made it less fun to watch. But Eric's problem is not that he doesn't like modern F1, it's apparently that he won't watch it, so can't really know if he likes it or not
TheDeuce said:
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
What have I said that prevents you or others from enjoying F1 in its current guise?You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
I follow current F1 but that does not mean I'm eneamoured with it.
I am allowed my opinion I hope, and if it doesn't chime with that of others, it's not really any big deal, is it.
Eric Mc said:
TheDeuce said:
Whilst I'm eternally glad that you're so happy - is there any way you might permit others to enjoy F1 and be happy without flying by each such thread and telling us all it's a load of crap?
You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
What have I said that prevents you or others from enjoying F1 in its current guise?You're clearly still keyed in to F1 if you continue to have an opinion on it..
I follow current F1 but that does not mean I'm eneamoured with it.
I am allowed my opinion I hope, and if it doesn't chime with that of others, it's not really any big deal, is it.
You have a right to complain. But others will expect an outspoken complainer to also pay lip service to what is going well. The cars are closer, the competition is closer.. these are the core parts of what racing cars is surely? F1 has gotten a lot better recently yet you don't seem to be happy with any of it. Which is also fine... But does raise the question, why are you motivated to comment on the sport at all, if it gets better and you're still not happy with it? What's in it for you?
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff