Old F1 chassis

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F1GTRUeno

6,363 posts

219 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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BigBen said:
A friend of mine has an ex Villeneuve BAR.
Can you share which one it is?

Obviously if he wants the details to remain private then absolutely understandable.

bristolracer

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150 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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BigBen said:
A friend of mine has an ex Villeneuve BAR.
I expect theres quite a few spectators who have bits of one or both of the BARs after they were hoofed into the wall in Spa biggrin

Ive seen a couple of those Williams cars knocking about, think there were quite a few made to promote the RBS sponsorship when RBS were playing fast and loose with everyones money.

AJB88

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12,466 posts

172 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Seen a Jordan 191 yesterday #32 Schumacher in Hamburg.. pretty sure the chassis he raced is in Sensheim.

dr_gn

16,170 posts

185 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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AJB88 said:
Seen a Jordan 191 yesterday #32 Schumacher in Hamburg.. pretty sure the chassis he raced is in Sensheim.
Can’t remember the chassis number, but the livery is wrong for Spa ‘91. I think it’s engine is displayed separately? Appears to be a genuine chassis, but last time I saw it, it was supported by blocks of wood. Maybe just the tyres that are knackered.

Thundersports

657 posts

146 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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One of the 191 chassis was written off by de Cesaris at Silverstone it had a largish hole in the tub. The original Schumacher chassis was used the following season in Interserie wearing caterham style wheel fenders. I think it was chassis 4 but memory plays tricks.

dr_gn

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185 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Thundersports said:
One of the 191 chassis was written off by de Cesaris at Silverstone...
I've got some bits of that car here.


Apparently it's chassis -5 in Hamburg. At least that's what's on the cockpit plate.

Thundersports

657 posts

146 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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dr_gn said:
I've got some bits of that car here.


Apparently it's chassis -5 in Hamburg. At least that's what's on the cockpit plate.
Think you're right James Taylor drove it and was going well until it set itself on fire!

dr_gn

16,170 posts

185 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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Thundersports said:
dr_gn said:
I've got some bits of that car here.


Apparently it's chassis -5 in Hamburg. At least that's what's on the cockpit plate.
Think you're right James Taylor drove it and was going well until it set itself on fire!
Here’s my extensive collection of De Cesaris 191 crash bits - picked out of the wall at Bridge after the race...



Also got a #33 front wing flap and rear tyre from the factory when I went for a visit back in the day.

AJB88

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172 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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dr_gn said:
Can’t remember the chassis number, but the livery is wrong for Spa ‘91. I think it’s engine is displayed separately? Appears to be a genuine chassis, but last time I saw it, it was supported by blocks of wood. Maybe just the tyres that are knackered.
It was a complete chassis, wheels etc. Couldnt see the chassis plate but according to a list its #5

dr_gn

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185 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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AJB88 said:
dr_gn said:
Can’t remember the chassis number, but the livery is wrong for Spa ‘91. I think it’s engine is displayed separately? Appears to be a genuine chassis, but last time I saw it, it was supported by blocks of wood. Maybe just the tyres that are knackered.
It was a complete chassis, wheels etc. Couldnt see the chassis plate but according to a list its #5
Yes - assuming the cockpit plate is genuine, it's #5.

AJB88

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Friday 7th February 2020
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Edited by AJB88 on Friday 7th February 13:21

n3il123

2,608 posts

214 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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There are a couple of guys on f1technical that have Bar/ Hondas.

Threads below


Link

Link 2

F1GTRUeno

6,363 posts

219 months

Saturday 8th February 2020
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https://flic.kr/p/2ipWeKW

Strange to see an FW19 with HHF's number but it seems FW19-05 was his chassis for most of the year according to the info.

What a bloody lovely proportioned and well liveried thing it is too.

Really need to get to a Retromobile one of these days.

F1GTRUeno

6,363 posts

219 months

Saturday 15th February 2020
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Another from Retromobile, courtesy of Mario Exposito on Facebook.



191-6 according to this:

https://www.aguttes.com/en/news/72221

BigBen

11,653 posts

231 months

Sunday 16th February 2020
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F1GTRUeno said:
BigBen said:
A friend of mine has an ex Villeneuve BAR.
Can you share which one it is?

Obviously if he wants the details to remain private then absolutely understandable.
Sorry only just seen this, I will ask him when I see him later in the week. I am sure it is not a secret. What I have learned from his ownership is that I am slightly too big to be an F1 driver.

F1GTRUeno

6,363 posts

219 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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F1GTRUeno said:


https://flic.kr/p/2ipWeKW

Strange to see an FW19 with HHF's number but it seems FW19-05 was his chassis for most of the year according to the info.

What a bloody lovely proportioned and well liveried thing it is too.

Really need to get to a Retromobile one of these days.
https://www.racecarsdirect.com/Advert/Details/112005/1997-williams-fw19-formula-1

Now for sale

F1GTRUeno

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219 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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PTF

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225 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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F1GTRUeno said:
I'm doing euromillions for the next couple of weeks

BigBen

11,653 posts

231 months

Tuesday 25th February 2020
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BigBen said:
F1GTRUeno said:
BigBen said:
A friend of mine has an ex Villeneuve BAR.
Can you share which one it is?

Obviously if he wants the details to remain private then absolutely understandable.
Sorry only just seen this, I will ask him when I see him later in the week. I am sure it is not a secret. What I have learned from his ownership is that I am slightly too big to be an F1 driver.
It is a 2000 car with chassis number 4 BAR002/04.

2000 season
Australia - Ricardo Zonta 6th position
Brazil - Ricardo Zonta 9th position
San Marino - spare car
Europe - spare car
Monaco - spare car
Canada - J.Villeneuve 15th position -
France - J.Villeneuve 4th position -
Austria - J.Villeneuve 4th position-
Germany - J.Villeneve 8th position -
Hungary - J.Villeneuve 12th position
Spa - J.Villeneuve - 7th position
Italy - J.Villeneuve - DNF
USA - J.Villeneuve - 4th position
Japanese GP - J.Villeneuve 6th position
Malaysia - J.Villeneuve 5th position

If anyone knows any more about the car my mate is keen to hear about it

Ben

F1GTRUeno

6,363 posts

219 months

Monday 9th March 2020
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Thank you Ben for the info about that car, much appreciated. Glad people are keeping hold of them from the era and at least they're being looked after. I was a big fan of the 002 I must admit, the livery was less jarring than the 001 and it just looked smart. Any photos at all?

Anyway I received some really generous information about which car was used in which race from 89-99 and am about to run back through the spreadsheet over the next few weeks because it should help me identify a fair few of the cars I have without chassis numbers, although any help towards that would be massively appreciated.

In the meantime I happened to be looking at Lanzante's Instagram last night and it appears they have an MP4/6 at their HQ.

Not sure which chassis it is but it's there.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8ohwXSpH5X/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6bFfqMJEpe/