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rdjohn said:
Once Laurence realises that Lance is not destined to be the next Lewis, Charles, or Max, does anyone seriously think he will not be looking at an exit strategy - like selling RP to Aston Martin.
His interest in F1 precedes his son's involvement so It wouldn't surprise me if he stuck with it. I guess it depends if it excites him having his own team, probably more than selling Jeans , I would have thought.C Lee Farquar said:
rdjohn said:
Once Laurence realises that Lance is not destined to be the next Lewis, Charles, or Max, does anyone seriously think he will not be looking at an exit strategy - like selling RP to Aston Martin.
His interest in F1 precedes his son's involvement so It wouldn't surprise me if he stuck with it. I guess it depends if it excites him having his own team, probably more than selling Jeans , I would have thought.
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Megaflow said:
Stroll isn’t buying the Mercedes team and rebranding it as Aston Martin then...
Honestly, the crap these websites publish during the closed season to drive views gets more ridiculous every year.
The buying of Aston part plays out. Who knows if there is anything in any of the rest of it.. Honestly, the crap these websites publish during the closed season to drive views gets more ridiculous every year.
Whatever the extent of the truth(s) behind that article it goes without saying some facts will be back to front and some embellishment and speculation tends to creep in
Closed season nearly over and we can all get back to arguing about the pointless spectacle that is pre season testing
The reality of just where Aston Martin are January 2020
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/30/as...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/30/as...
rdjohn said:
The reality of just where Aston Martin are January 2020
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/30/as...
£200m for 20%... (Plus chairing). That's the business valued at well below £1bn then. That's quite poignant in a world where developing a new car platform tends to in itself exceed £1bn often enough.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/01/30/as...
I'd rather stroll than geely in this instance though.
TheDeuce said:
As a car producer, their path is electric. They're putting unbelievable resources in to that future, they want to get it more right than VAG or BMW.
That does not in itself mean remaining in F1 makes no sense for them, but there is always going to be a question of when is best to leave. At the end of this season, all being well, as a team they're the outright record holders in terms of consecutive (and double) titles. Beyond that with the new regs it's all less certain, and the only way is down. That still doesn't mean there is no value in competing in the sport.. but if they had any intention of selling the team in the next ten years even, then the end of this year would be the best time to sell it. Walk away undefeated having set the new records and sell the team at the height of its powers, and by extension value.
The perfect exit strategy would be the final glowing achievement of their F1 project.
There will come a point in the future when for F1 to remain relevant it'll have to pivot as a series to EV's from Hybrid ICE the question is IMHO 2025 or 2029. So will the 2021 engine see a half or full cycle, considering how little is changing and I could see a more radical early move to full EV's being possible for the engine manufacturers. That does not in itself mean remaining in F1 makes no sense for them, but there is always going to be a question of when is best to leave. At the end of this season, all being well, as a team they're the outright record holders in terms of consecutive (and double) titles. Beyond that with the new regs it's all less certain, and the only way is down. That still doesn't mean there is no value in competing in the sport.. but if they had any intention of selling the team in the next ten years even, then the end of this year would be the best time to sell it. Walk away undefeated having set the new records and sell the team at the height of its powers, and by extension value.
The perfect exit strategy would be the final glowing achievement of their F1 project.
The question Daimler / Mercedes have is do they want to be part of F1 EV and how do the they bridge across to it? Selling the team now would be problem if EV's happen in 2025 less so if the window is 2029 and Mercedes want to be part F1 EV. I can see Mercedes, Renault and Honda wanting some certainty around what the next set of regs are likely to be for them to commit to 2021 cycle.
I could certainly imagine a world where from 2021 onwards Mercedes / Daimler choose to brand Merc F1 as AMG without the Mercedes part, AMG as a brand have at least a full model cycle of ICE vehicles before going EV so associating with ICE racing is not detrimental to brand image to same extent that ICE will be for Mercedes in few years time. Sales of 113k units at say 40k eur avg makes AMG a 4bn eur business and larger than Ferrari so should be possible to self fund a racing programme.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/brawn-no-indica...
Probably the clearest reflection of how things are likely to turn out.
Probably the clearest reflection of how things are likely to turn out.
rdjohn said:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/brawn-no-indica...
Probably the clearest reflection of how things are likely to turn out.
My god, that's a lot of justification as to why the star players, Mercedes won't need to leave the sport! As if they care about the money so long as they win - saving £300m a year? Sounds great, but not as great as having the freedom to spend that same money and flatten everyone else.Probably the clearest reflection of how things are likely to turn out.
I've been firmly on the side of believing they will depart end of this year, and frankly every thing that has happened, and every various rumour, even if only part true, points to that reality...
Brawn's un-requested explanation for why they could stay, just reinforces the same feeling for me. "Nothing to see here folks..."
They came, they conquered. The sport is changing, Mercedes market focus is changing. If they leave end 2020, they leave on a high. Those for me have been the realities for quite some time now.
I can however believe Toto may stay, and of course, the team will remain.
TheDeuce said:
My god, that's a lot of justification as to why the star players, Mercedes won't need to leave the sport! As if they care about the money so long as they win - saving £300m a year? Sounds great, but not as great as having the freedom to spend that same money and flatten everyone else.
I've been firmly on the side of believing they will depart end of this year, and frankly every thing that has happened, and every various rumour, even if only part true, points to that reality...
Brawn's un-requested explanation for why they could stay, just reinforces the same feeling for me. "Nothing to see here folks..."
They came, they conquered. The sport is changing, Mercedes market focus is changing. If they leave end 2020, they leave on a high. Those for me have been the realities for quite some time now.
I can however believe Toto may stay, and of course, the team will remain.
tbh I think the whole Mercedes departing on a high is just a romantic little tale that various people believe for their own little reasons rather than anything Mercedes have suggested in any way they'll do.I've been firmly on the side of believing they will depart end of this year, and frankly every thing that has happened, and every various rumour, even if only part true, points to that reality...
Brawn's un-requested explanation for why they could stay, just reinforces the same feeling for me. "Nothing to see here folks..."
They came, they conquered. The sport is changing, Mercedes market focus is changing. If they leave end 2020, they leave on a high. Those for me have been the realities for quite some time now.
I can however believe Toto may stay, and of course, the team will remain.
Teddy Lop said:
tbh I think the whole Mercedes departing on a high is just a romantic little tale that various people believe for their own little reasons rather than anything Mercedes have suggested in any way they'll do.
I agree so far as they have in no way suggested that's what they'll do.AHH.. I could well be wrong, and if so - so be it. I think they're going to kill 2020 and do a Rosberg.
Expected Merc changes
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-a-f...
Will they run the rake though..
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-a-f...
Will they run the rake though..
Deesee said:
Expected Merc changes
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-a-f...
Will they run the rake though..
Interesting. I didn't know they had cut the rear of the tub away to package the cooling system that well. Judging by the pictures of seat fit, etc it is almost certain they will have Ferrari like side pods. It will be interesting to see if they run more rake, I'd be surprised if they do, because as far as I understand Mercedes concept is about getting as much airflow across the top of the diffuser to energise the underside of it, rather than just pouring more air out from the underside.https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-a-f...
Will they run the rake though..
If that understanding is correct, the the Ferrari style sided, with the cut away tub, could make that even more powerful, without the need for the rake.
I'm trying to watch the Mercedes 2020 livery reveal stream but it's been victim of a few technical issues! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfJPhcbtxy0
Just a 20 minute pause in production, might actually show us the livery now..
And as I type they have finally revealed it - looks a lot like the 2019 livery!
Just a 20 minute pause in production, might actually show us the livery now..
And as I type they have finally revealed it - looks a lot like the 2019 livery!
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