Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020
Discussion
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari just broke the no sheilding rule.
Think the floor was off (or working on it) which is OK according to F1 site?"Traditionally used by teams at testing to keep their shiny new bits under wraps, for 2020 screens at the pre-season tests will be outlawed when the track is live (from 0900 to 1800) to improve the spectacle for fans. Teams will, however, be able to cover up when their car’s floor is not fitted, or if their car is being recovered after stopping out on track."
robbieduncan said:
BrettMRC said:
No shielding?
They are not allowed to put screens up in front of the garage whilst working on the car (unless the floor is off?). Ferrari stood a load of people in front instead
Anyway, rules below, and they have surely broken the bit in bold.. Although I don't know what the penalty is, probably just a slap on the wrist for this first infraction.. if even that."Existing rules state: "no screen, cover or other obstruction which in any way obscures any part of a car will be allowed at any time in the paddock, garages, pit lane or grid, unless it is clear any such covers are needed solely for mechanical reasons."
There are also specific bans on engine, gearbox or radiator covers while engines are being changed or moved in the garage, covers over spare wings when they are on a stand in the pitlane, while parts such as - but not limited to - spare floors, fuel rigs or tool trolleys may not be used as an obstruction.
Some covers are allowed including transparent tool trays, rear wing covers to protect mechanics when firing up the car, tyre blankets and covers when it is raining."
dunc_sx said:
Think the floor was off (or working on it) which is OK according to F1 site?
"Traditionally used by teams at testing to keep their shiny new bits under wraps, for 2020 screens at the pre-season tests will be outlawed when the track is live (from 0900 to 1800) to improve the spectacle for fans. Teams will, however, be able to cover up when their car’s floor is not fitted, or if their car is being recovered after stopping out on track."
I heard on Sky they were just grinding away a problem part of the barge board assembly. I think Ted would have been able to see if they had the floor off.."Traditionally used by teams at testing to keep their shiny new bits under wraps, for 2020 screens at the pre-season tests will be outlawed when the track is live (from 0900 to 1800) to improve the spectacle for fans. Teams will, however, be able to cover up when their car’s floor is not fitted, or if their car is being recovered after stopping out on track."
And if they did have the floor off, why bother with a human screen? They would be entitled to use a proper screen and block the view 100%
Deesee said:
Err,
Looks like the other team are not to happy with the racing • w10 RP20
Don't even go there... Imagine?!?!Looks like the other team are not to happy with the racing •
Too early to tell but if they really do have that sort of pace increase... So much for McLaren v Renault for 4th
Speaking of McLaren and Renault, both almost identical times. I feel like maybe one is shadowing the others times rather than give anything away. But which one?
Munter said:
Deesee said:
Err,
Looks like the other team are not to happy with the racing • w10 RP20
Who's said what?Looks like the other team are not to happy with the racing •
Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
Deesee said:
Racing point are practically running a W10 (last years Merc). It’s almost as if they took the car from Abu Dhabi and painted it pink.
Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
Racing Point v Haas this year will be a rerun of Mercedes v Ferrari last year Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
Holy hell, they quite happy with it too, they’ve just released this to AMuS, and perhaps might have picked up a red bull engineer or two, this could be a race challenger..
Translation: The concept and details of the new Racing Point RP20 are strongly reminiscent of the Mercedes of the previous year. We asked technology chief Andy Green about his latest work and are showing the first pictures of the Pink Panther.
Racing Point technical director Andy Green beamed all over his face: "This is the car we have always wanted to build." For the racing team from Silverstone, the RP20 is a new beginning. For the first time, the development team was able to build a car without money worries and without time pressure.
The design team said goodbye to the old RP19 early on. This was necessary because Racing Point was the only team in the pit lane to completely change the concept. The wonder, the Mercedes world champion car served as a template. One can say without exaggeration: The Racing Point RP20 is a Mercedes W19 in pink.
Andy Green defends his approach: “We have been working in the Mercedes wind tunnel since May last year. It makes more sense to follow their concept than to build a Red Bull. All the tools and test procedures in the Mercedes channel are tailored to this concept. "
The collaboration between Mercedes and its customer team has become closer over the winter. In addition to the engine, transmission and hydraulics, the brackets now come from Brackley. Green admits: "Front and rear suspension and the gearbox come one to one from the 2019 Mercedes."
Since a complete fresh start awaits everyone in 2021, it made sense for a midfielder team like Racing Point to play with the world champion for the last year according to the old regulations. That could bring an advantage to last year's World Cup seventh over the teams that switched to 2021 early on. "We are only now starting with the new car for 2021," reveals Green.
The copy job in the current model sounds easier than it is. The Racing Point engineers couldn't just copper them. They also had to understand what they were doing. And the production department had to create new tools for many new parts.
Nose, front wing, suspensions, side boxes, airbox - the Racing Point RP20 is a copy of the old Mercedes W10 from 2019. New racing point with little employment The new car from Racing Point is also reminiscent of the old Mercedes in the nose, the cape wing underneath, the architecture around the cooling inlets, the fins on the chassis edge and the airbox.
The similarity is particularly noticeable at the front end of the side boxes. While all other teams - including Mercedes - copy the Red Bull idea of lowering the crash structure one floor down to mount a wing at the top, Racing Point adhered to the old principle. The cooling inlet arches in a bulbous floor around the two crash structures. The horizontal wing takes on the task of the guide plate, which grows horizontally from the cockpit and falls vertically downwards outside the side box.
Not everything is a detailed replica. In a direct comparison with the Mercedes last year, the cooling inlet at the Racing Point is smaller. The side boxes thus shrink in width. Mercedes built the new car a bit slimmer in the area.
The cladding of the RP20 on the sides accommodates elements from Mercedes and Red Bull, according to the head of technology. So not everything comes from the big brother. Racing Point goes its own way with the guide plates behind the front wheels and the superstructures on the base plate.
The thin nose with the duck bill, the front wing and the chassis, which widens at the height of the front axle, seem to come from the spare parts store of Mercedes. Thin noses are the trend. Green explains why: “You would prefer not to have a nose at all. The thinner, the easier it is to control the Y 250 vertebrae. "
Only the trained eye can see the most spectacular takeover. Racing Point, like Mercedes, only positions its car moderately to the rear. For the past four years, Silverstone cars have had the highest ground clearance in the rear. "Returning to the old principle was easier than switching to Red Bull. That was completely new territory for us at the time. We have already taken the path that we are now taking again. "
The Racing Point RP20 is significantly less rear than the previous model. Racing Point takes a giant step The engine is also a big step forward. There is significantly more power. The stability problems are solved. Racing Point is confident that the engine partner will again take on the pioneering role that has been given to Ferrari in the past two years.
Together with the numbers from the wind tunnel, Racing Point could be the big surprise in the battle for fourth place this year. "If we get the data on the line, we will take a giant step forward," says Green.
The return of Racing Point to old values also determines the test schedule in Barcelona. Sergio Perez and Lance Stroll will have to work their way through the entire spectrum of votes over the six days. The engineers have to update their data collection. The next upgrade is only planned for Melbourne. "Our upgrade was the new car," grins Green.
The new Racing Point runs like clockwork straight away. Perez led the rankings in phases and was faster on the first day of testing than a year ago after eight days. The new Mercedes W11 was only a fraction of a second faster. "Sergio still had a lot of petrol on board and drove the C3 tires on his fast laps." That's the medium mix.
Translation: The concept and details of the new Racing Point RP20 are strongly reminiscent of the Mercedes of the previous year. We asked technology chief Andy Green about his latest work and are showing the first pictures of the Pink Panther.
Racing Point technical director Andy Green beamed all over his face: "This is the car we have always wanted to build." For the racing team from Silverstone, the RP20 is a new beginning. For the first time, the development team was able to build a car without money worries and without time pressure.
The design team said goodbye to the old RP19 early on. This was necessary because Racing Point was the only team in the pit lane to completely change the concept. The wonder, the Mercedes world champion car served as a template. One can say without exaggeration: The Racing Point RP20 is a Mercedes W19 in pink.
Andy Green defends his approach: “We have been working in the Mercedes wind tunnel since May last year. It makes more sense to follow their concept than to build a Red Bull. All the tools and test procedures in the Mercedes channel are tailored to this concept. "
The collaboration between Mercedes and its customer team has become closer over the winter. In addition to the engine, transmission and hydraulics, the brackets now come from Brackley. Green admits: "Front and rear suspension and the gearbox come one to one from the 2019 Mercedes."
Since a complete fresh start awaits everyone in 2021, it made sense for a midfielder team like Racing Point to play with the world champion for the last year according to the old regulations. That could bring an advantage to last year's World Cup seventh over the teams that switched to 2021 early on. "We are only now starting with the new car for 2021," reveals Green.
The copy job in the current model sounds easier than it is. The Racing Point engineers couldn't just copper them. They also had to understand what they were doing. And the production department had to create new tools for many new parts.
Nose, front wing, suspensions, side boxes, airbox - the Racing Point RP20 is a copy of the old Mercedes W10 from 2019. New racing point with little employment The new car from Racing Point is also reminiscent of the old Mercedes in the nose, the cape wing underneath, the architecture around the cooling inlets, the fins on the chassis edge and the airbox.
The similarity is particularly noticeable at the front end of the side boxes. While all other teams - including Mercedes - copy the Red Bull idea of lowering the crash structure one floor down to mount a wing at the top, Racing Point adhered to the old principle. The cooling inlet arches in a bulbous floor around the two crash structures. The horizontal wing takes on the task of the guide plate, which grows horizontally from the cockpit and falls vertically downwards outside the side box.
Not everything is a detailed replica. In a direct comparison with the Mercedes last year, the cooling inlet at the Racing Point is smaller. The side boxes thus shrink in width. Mercedes built the new car a bit slimmer in the area.
The cladding of the RP20 on the sides accommodates elements from Mercedes and Red Bull, according to the head of technology. So not everything comes from the big brother. Racing Point goes its own way with the guide plates behind the front wheels and the superstructures on the base plate.
The thin nose with the duck bill, the front wing and the chassis, which widens at the height of the front axle, seem to come from the spare parts store of Mercedes. Thin noses are the trend. Green explains why: “You would prefer not to have a nose at all. The thinner, the easier it is to control the Y 250 vertebrae. "
Only the trained eye can see the most spectacular takeover. Racing Point, like Mercedes, only positions its car moderately to the rear. For the past four years, Silverstone cars have had the highest ground clearance in the rear. "Returning to the old principle was easier than switching to Red Bull. That was completely new territory for us at the time. We have already taken the path that we are now taking again. "
The Racing Point RP20 is significantly less rear than the previous model. Racing Point takes a giant step The engine is also a big step forward. There is significantly more power. The stability problems are solved. Racing Point is confident that the engine partner will again take on the pioneering role that has been given to Ferrari in the past two years.
Together with the numbers from the wind tunnel, Racing Point could be the big surprise in the battle for fourth place this year. "If we get the data on the line, we will take a giant step forward," says Green.
The return of Racing Point to old values also determines the test schedule in Barcelona. Sergio Perez and Lance Stroll will have to work their way through the entire spectrum of votes over the six days. The engineers have to update their data collection. The next upgrade is only planned for Melbourne. "Our upgrade was the new car," grins Green.
The new Racing Point runs like clockwork straight away. Perez led the rankings in phases and was faster on the first day of testing than a year ago after eight days. The new Mercedes W11 was only a fraction of a second faster. "Sergio still had a lot of petrol on board and drove the C3 tires on his fast laps." That's the medium mix.
Deesee said:
Racing point are practically running a W10 (last years Merc). It’s almost as if they took the car from Abu Dhabi and painted it pink.
Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
Did Mercedes willingly allow this? Are they encouraging RP to become more of a b-team? That's been against what Toto has said previously, but Mercedes do kind of need more of a b-team for 2021 onward.Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
The car was developed in Mercedes wind tunnel. Combined with the number of Merc parts RP are using, Mercedes must have had an incling of what design direction RP where headed in. At very least an incling..
EDIT: Your last post seems to confirm Mercedes were pretty much aware of where this 'collaboration' was headed. How confident must Mercedes be that their new car is comfortably quicker than the RP clone? Very I would think - why else would they allow this to happen?
Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 19th February 13:45
dunc_sx said:
TheDeuce said:
Ferrari just broke the no sheilding rule.
Think the floor was off (or working on it) which is OK according to F1 site?"Traditionally used by teams at testing to keep their shiny new bits under wraps, for 2020 screens at the pre-season tests will be outlawed when the track is live (from 0900 to 1800) to improve the spectacle for fans. Teams will, however, be able to cover up when their car’s floor is not fitted, or if their car is being recovered after stopping out on track."
Chief engineer : "Ok guys, take the floor off again and block the view"
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Racing point are practically running a W10 (last years Merc). It’s almost as if they took the car from Abu Dhabi and painted it pink.
Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
Did Mercedes willingly allow this? Are they encouraging RP to become more of a b-team? That's been against what Toto has said previously, but Mercedes do kind of need more of a b-team for 2021 onward.Some of the other teams are crying (crocodile tears tbh) foul.
The car was developed in Mercedes wind tunnel. Combined with the number of Merc parts RP are using, Mercedes must have had an incling of what design direction RP where headed in. At very least an incling..
EDIT: Your last post seems to confirm Mercedes were pretty much aware of where this 'collaboration' was headed. How confident must Mercedes be that their new car is comfortably quicker than the RP clone? Very I would think - why else would they allow this to happen?
Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 19th February 13:45
If there’s two guys that don’t muck about is Toto and Lawerence..it’s like having a pair of velociraptors in the paddock.
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