Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020
Discussion
Nampahc Niloc said:
Zoobeef said:
Giving the driver something else to do while driving is a good thing, more chance for mistakes.
Other than packaging it must be quite a balance to make it easy enough for the drivers to move but not so that its moved by accident.
That was something I was wondering. Given the forces under breaking and accelerating, you would think they would need some mechanism to lock it in place.Other than packaging it must be quite a balance to make it easy enough for the drivers to move but not so that its moved by accident.
TheDeuce said:
janesmith1950 said:
The Forth Rail Bridge? It was getting planning that was the hard part. Building the bridge was a piece of piss in engineering terms. Took 5 minutes.
Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
Are you drunk?Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
It’s like you own the F1 forum sometimes and your opinion / guess is more valid than everyone else’s and you always want the last word ?
Just saying
The Vambo said:
I don't pay for Autosport but it would be hard not to agree with them.
Legal only once the lights go out then?
I think they'll say it's legal, as tie rods dont 'suspend' anything, so it's a stretch to say it's part of the suspension (which is what they can't touch)Legal only once the lights go out then?
not that it'll affect Merc qualifying much anyways (turning the tyres on in Quali isn't much of an issue for them) - it's mainly a cure for tyre temp / wear issues during a race imo (kinda serves the FIA/ FOM right, for insisting on having comedy tyres for years)
janesmith1950 said:
The Forth Rail Bridge? It was getting planning that was the hard part. Building the bridge was a piece of piss in engineering terms. Took 5 minutes.
Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
Nicely put. I enjoyed that.Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
Derek Smith said:
janesmith1950 said:
The Forth Rail Bridge? It was getting planning that was the hard part. Building the bridge was a piece of piss in engineering terms. Took 5 minutes.
Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
Nicely put. I enjoyed that.Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
Nampahc Niloc said:
I actually think it completely misses the point. A better analogy would be the post-it note. Really simple idea that no one had thought of. (Though before someone jumps on me I realise this is a bit more complicated that a post it note, but not given the engineering minds in F1)
The glue used in a post it note was not trivial and was discovered by accident. It was the discovery of the glue, and "What can we do to salvage this failure" that led, after a few years, to the post it note. Exige77 said:
TheDeuce said:
janesmith1950 said:
The Forth Rail Bridge? It was getting planning that was the hard part. Building the bridge was a piece of piss in engineering terms. Took 5 minutes.
Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
Are you drunk?Moon landings? Anyone could have done it with 3 months notice but the tough but was getting clearance from air traffic control to take off. Engineering piece of piss.
Immunotherapy for cancer? We've all invented this before, haven't we? Took the biologists 10 minutes to design but the authorities won't let it be used without regulation. All in all not a big job.
Google search. Come on, it's just a box you type in. I could have made that in my sleep in 1991 and just have had to wait for the internet to be invented.
It’s like you own the F1 forum sometimes and your opinion / guess is more valid than everyone else’s and you always want the last word ?
Just saying
tes I'd silence, in this very thread we have the tribalistic hatey types framing their reality of what DAS and its legality is around their dislike of an individual driver with their usual tired and predictable monotrac hogwash.And TBF we're all talking varying degrees of speculative nonsense, if the system has been in development for a year it could just be because one year ago the 2019 car was too progressed for the idea to be implemented as efficiently as theyd have liked so rather than let on with a half assed job they hid it up their sleeve for a year to reap the best.
The suspension innovations on the Red Bull and Mercedes and the Mercedes’ steering are super interesting. Incredible to see such innovations in what is an ‘in-between’ year.
With the 2021 rules precluding the Mercedes DAS steering I can’t really see the majority of the teams on the grid engineering their own solution.
We don’t know the ins and outs of how Mercedes are doing it (apart from The Deuce apparently) but I saw a very interesting GIF on Twitter proposing that it involves a split steering rack and pinion with an internal ‘screw-like’ gear within the split steering pinion which which offsets one rack / pinion section from the other. It’s some serious engineering.
With the 2021 rules precluding the Mercedes DAS steering I can’t really see the majority of the teams on the grid engineering their own solution.
We don’t know the ins and outs of how Mercedes are doing it (apart from The Deuce apparently) but I saw a very interesting GIF on Twitter proposing that it involves a split steering rack and pinion with an internal ‘screw-like’ gear within the split steering pinion which which offsets one rack / pinion section from the other. It’s some serious engineering.
Teddy Lop said:
he might be a chatterbox with an opinion on everything but he's a fair way back in the list of gobstes I'd silence, in this very thread we have the tribalistic hatey types framing their reality of what DAS and its legality is around their dislike of an individual driver with their usual tired and predictable monotrac hogwash.
And TBF we're all talking varying degrees of speculative nonsense, if the system has been in development for a year it could just be because one year ago the 2019 car was too progressed for the idea to be implemented as efficiently as theyd have liked so rather than let on with a half assed job they hid it up their sleeve for a year to reap the best.
Very well said.tes I'd silence, in this very thread we have the tribalistic hatey types framing their reality of what DAS and its legality is around their dislike of an individual driver with their usual tired and predictable monotrac hogwash.And TBF we're all talking varying degrees of speculative nonsense, if the system has been in development for a year it could just be because one year ago the 2019 car was too progressed for the idea to be implemented as efficiently as theyd have liked so rather than let on with a half assed job they hid it up their sleeve for a year to reap the best.
Mr Pointy said:
I wonder if the drivers will find it gives them issues when trying to recover from an off or other loss of control. It must be hard enough to recover with a fixed whel but if it's floating around while the driver is getting hammered over the kerbs it could make things really tricky.
There looks like there is a button pressed to ‘unlock/lock’ system it’s then fully manually operated push/pull then locks in again.HustleRussell said:
We don’t know the ins and outs of how Mercedes are doing it (apart from The Deuce apparently) but I saw a very interesting GIF on Twitter proposing that it involves a split steering rack and pinion with an internal ‘screw-like’ gear within the split steering pinion which which offsets one rack / pinion section from the other. It’s some serious engineering.
This one?https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/f7xkd8/...
The Vambo said:
jimPH said:
How long before DAS appears on road cars, but without the moving steering wheel. Just a slight toe adjustment at the centre position and toe out when the wheel is turned.
Never. The slight scrubbing isn't an issue to a road car.
HustleRussell said:
Deesee said:
YepHustleRussell said:
The suspension innovations on the Red Bull and Mercedes and the Mercedes’ steering are super interesting. Incredible to see such innovations in what is an ‘in-between’ year.
With the 2021 rules precluding the Mercedes DAS steering I can’t really see the majority of the teams on the grid engineering their own solution.
We don’t know the ins and outs of how Mercedes are doing it (apart from The Deuce apparently) but I saw a very interesting GIF on Twitter proposing that it involves a split steering rack and pinion with an internal ‘screw-like’ gear within the split steering pinion which which offsets one rack / pinion section from the other. It’s some serious engineering.
These were my thoughts too. Whilst in engineering terms it's something that could be done simply F1 rarely sees to work that way. A recall a conversation with one BAR engineer who told me how much time and engineering they'd spent on a bracket that could have been replaced with a cable tie. Which I guess leads to the Post It note analogy, F1 would find a much more complicated way of doing things!With the 2021 rules precluding the Mercedes DAS steering I can’t really see the majority of the teams on the grid engineering their own solution.
We don’t know the ins and outs of how Mercedes are doing it (apart from The Deuce apparently) but I saw a very interesting GIF on Twitter proposing that it involves a split steering rack and pinion with an internal ‘screw-like’ gear within the split steering pinion which which offsets one rack / pinion section from the other. It’s some serious engineering.
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