Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020
Discussion
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I hope we have a great season, for the 7th year in a row.
Honestly, I've found recent F1 far more interesting and entertaining than the Schumacher / Ferrari years of dominance.
It has been a remarkable run, hasn't it. Last season was the best I can remember. Two races that were bland and uninteresting, and the rest were exciting. I still think that Bharain was one of my top five races of all time. Honestly, I've found recent F1 far more interesting and entertaining than the Schumacher / Ferrari years of dominance.
It's a shame the Ferrari ascendancy, locking out the front row and then off into the distance, leaving the Mercs in its dust, was something of a myth. But for that race, it was magic. Had everything.
More please.
/WokeClockwork Cupcake said:
DeltonaS said:
We ?
I doubt your legally permitted to work for Mercedes as a 12 year old.
Errr, eh? I doubt your legally permitted to work for Mercedes as a 12 year old.
"We" as in the fans, viewers, and readers of this thread. As, of course, anyone with a reading and comprehension level greater than a 12 year old would have realised.
Also, it's "you're" not "your".
DeltonaS said:
Let's hope for F1 and everybody involved that 2020 will be a very competitive season between Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull.
Otherwise Mercedes will ride into the distance once again for the 7th year in a row..
It's Schumacher's fault...Otherwise Mercedes will ride into the distance once again for the 7th year in a row..
According to Toto at least
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/140847/schumache...
Well, it was bound to happen, Ferrari have formally asked the FIA for clarification that DAS is legal.
Or depending on your point of view, Ferrari have decided it's illegal, and asked the FIA to ratify that position.
How does the collective think this ruling will go?
Personally, everything I've read and seen so far leads me to believe it's entirely within the rules. BUT as this is the FIA, and as it's Ferrari doing the asking, I suspect the chance of it being outlawed is >50%
Or depending on your point of view, Ferrari have decided it's illegal, and asked the FIA to ratify that position.
How does the collective think this ruling will go?
Personally, everything I've read and seen so far leads me to believe it's entirely within the rules. BUT as this is the FIA, and as it's Ferrari doing the asking, I suspect the chance of it being outlawed is >50%
Deesee said:
tin duck dave said:
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ash73 said:
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HustleRussell said:
Deesee said:
Yep
The amount of toe change is not mentioned in the regs, and does not form part of pace ferme.
Of course only Merc and the FIA know how they are actually doing it (the rest is speculation), and the FIA have decided it’s legal.
kambites said:
Having make it explicitly illegal next year, if they decide it's already implicitly illegal this year they're going to make themselves look very silly. I suspect Ferrari are digging for information on how it works/what its purpose is.
That sounds about right, Ferrari are hoping to both glean some information from Mercedes on exactly what this is for and how it works, while simultaneously trying to disrupt the champions from their pre-season preparations. This system has been in development for months if not years, so I’ll take a wild guess that Mercedes have wargamed this scenario of someone objecting and have a ‘standard’ rack and column ready to bolt straight on if required. They’ve probably even crash-tested a chassis with the standard rack installed too, in case anyone brings up that objection, such is their attention to detail.
I also suspect that the real reason for the device, that we haven’t seen yet, is to allow them to use considerable toe-out on the car on twisty circuits, too allow much faster cornering speeds.
Sandpit Steve said:
I also suspect that the real reason for the device, that we haven’t seen yet, is to allow them to use considerable toe-out on the car on twisty circuits, too allow much faster cornering speeds.
I suspect that it will be very circuit specific.Perhaps one car will have it on Friday practice to understand if it is advantageous, or not.
I have read nothing yet that confirms if the system was found to be advantageous on days 2 and 3, last week.
But it has probably deflected a lot of effort, at a critical time, for the other teams.
Sandpit Steve said:
kambites said:
Having make it explicitly illegal next year, if they decide it's already implicitly illegal this year they're going to make themselves look very silly. I suspect Ferrari are digging for information on how it works/what its purpose is.
That sounds about right, Ferrari are hoping to both glean some information from Mercedes on exactly what this is for and how it works, while simultaneously trying to disrupt the champions from their pre-season preparations. This system has been in development for months if not years, so I’ll take a wild guess that Mercedes have wargamed this scenario of someone objecting and have a ‘standard’ rack and column ready to bolt straight on if required. They’ve probably even crash-tested a chassis with the standard rack installed too, in case anyone brings up that objection, such is their attention to detail.
I also suspect that the real reason for the device, that we haven’t seen yet, is to allow them to use considerable toe-out on the car on twisty circuits, too allow much faster cornering speeds.
They would probably run their normal toe for any given circuit but be able to reduce it a bit on the straights if needed. Keep the toe if the want to warm tyres or take it off if they don’t need it to aid Strait line speed.
Exige77 said:
I’m not sure extra toe increases cornering speeds, I think it helps “initial” turn in. Once turn in has started and weight transfer taken place, the inside wheel becomes un-loaded and everything shifts to the outside wheel.
Toe out actually makes turn-in slightly slower. The whole point is to make turn in less aggressive as weight transfers to the outside front wheel, improving stability.It's exactly the same situation as the Mercedes ventilated hub situation towards the end of the season. The FIA said they were legal but Ferrari couldn't replicate the technology so Mercedes had to decide if it was worth the risk running them & getting excluded if the stewards decided they were illegal. They didn't run them in some races
The difference with DAS is that Mercedes can try it at the first race & only lose one race's worth of points if they are banned.
The difference with DAS is that Mercedes can try it at the first race & only lose one race's worth of points if they are banned.
HardtopManual said:
Exige77 said:
I’m not sure extra toe increases cornering speeds, I think it helps “initial” turn in. Once turn in has started and weight transfer taken place, the inside wheel becomes un-loaded and everything shifts to the outside wheel.
Toe out actually makes turn-in slightly slower. The whole point is to make turn in less aggressive as weight transfers to the outside front wheel, improving stability.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff