Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020

[BrettMRC]

Wonder if it might be related to coronavirus?

[rallycross]

geeks said:

Blib said:

Unscheduled Vettel press conference at 3pm today.

I don’t understand. Announcing and setting a time in advance is surely the very definition of a scheduled press conference?

Well it was unscheduled yesterday.

Maybe the Italian government has given the team instructions not to fly the team out to Auz due to the virus spread ?

[TheDeuce]

Vettels got that dizzy feeling back already today..

EDIT: And car damage. Less running for the reds then.

[dunc_sx]

Does anyone know where these diagrams come from, I understand they can be made from the external shots but the internal stuff at 0:47s into this vid is detailed - Just guesswork?

https://youtu.be/jo9sH7qTtHg

Dunc.

[GOATever]

Deesee said:

If there’s any doubt how this new steering works

Here you go



Sector 3 is the twisty bit

The DAS is to straighten the toe angles on the straights, to reduce scrubbing, whilst allowing the wheels to toe out for corner entry confidence, so how does having the car cornering ( where the toe out is back, essentially the normal setting ) show anything?

[Mr Dendrite]

dunc_sx said:

Does anyone know where these diagrams come from, I understand they can be made from the external shots but the internal stuff at 0:47s into this vid is detailed - Just guesswork?

https://youtu.be/jo9sH7qTtHg

Dunc.

I would assume they’re by Giorgio Piola. He is pretty amazing as a photographer, F1 tech analyst and the drawings he does of the tech are works of art.

[HarryFlatters]

GOATever said:

Deesee said:

If there’s any doubt how this new steering works

Here you go



Sector 3 is the twisty bit

The DAS is to straighten the toe angles on the straights, to reduce scrubbing, whilst allowing the wheels to toe out for corner entry confidence, so how does having the car cornering ( where the toe out is back, essentially the normal setting ) show anything?

I think Deesee's post relates to the timing information at the bottom of the screen, rather than the picture of the car. Hamilton's Mercedes is nearly 3.5/10ths of a second faster in sector three, compared to Vettel's Ferrari.

[Supersam83]

rallycross said:

Will be interesting to hear of this is something driver or team related ( or both ).

Maybe a sabbatical / year off but not leaving the team.

His father and brother shown at the track as well.

Maybe could be something big annouced?

[Zoobeef]

HarryFlatters said:

GOATever said:

Deesee said:

If there’s any doubt how this new steering works

Here you go



Sector 3 is the twisty bit

The DAS is to straighten the toe angles on the straights, to reduce scrubbing, whilst allowing the wheels to toe out for corner entry confidence, so how does having the car cornering ( where the toe out is back, essentially the normal setting ) show anything?

I think Deesee's post relates to the timing information at the bottom of the screen, rather than the picture of the car. Hamilton's Mercedes is nearly 3.5/10ths of a second faster in sector three, compared to Vettel's Ferrari.

Yes, the twisty bit. Which is where DAS has no effect.

[Zoobeef]

Sky currently saying that all drivers have earned their way onto the grid by winning other championships.

Failed to mention that Max hasn't won any outside karting though.

[kambites]

Zoobeef said:

Yes, the twisty bit. Which is where DAS has no effect.

I don't think it makes sense to sway "it has effect on straights but not corners". It removes the need to reach a compromise which works for all parts of the track; one would imagine Mercedes are running less toe on the straights and more toe in the corners than anyone else.

[AJB88]

geeks said:

Exactly, I really don't see why Ferrari asking for clarification is them cheating somehow or moving to have it banned.

I did wonder.

If Ferrari had come up with DAS, would the whole world be asking for it to be banned immediately as its them cheating.

[Petrus1983]

Zoobeef said:

Sky currently saying that all drivers have earned their way onto the grid by winning other championships.

Failed to mention that Max hasn't won any outside karting though.

At 17 yrs 166 days before his F1 début he hardly had time to win in anything else - but I get your point.

[TheDeuce]

AJB88 said:

I did wonder.

If Ferrari had come up with DAS, would the whole world be asking for it to be banned immediately as its them cheating.

Don't see why anyone should, other than those who're anti Ferrari no matter what. Innovation is part of the sport, it's generally admired and obsessed over.

[Zoobeef]

Petrus1983 said:

Zoobeef said:

Sky currently saying that all drivers have earned their way onto the grid by winning other championships.

Failed to mention that Max hasn't won any outside karting though.

At 17 yrs 166 days before his F1 début he hardly had time to win in anything else - but I get your point.

Which is the fundamental flaw with him, he is an extremely experienced F1 driver now and the results aren't showing. He needed the time building up to F1.
His only season in F3 he finished behind Ocon, who was in his first season in F3 aswell. (Although, he had driven Formula Renault previously).

[Zoobeef]

kambites said:

Zoobeef said:

Yes, the twisty bit. Which is where DAS has no effect.

I don't think it makes sense to sway "it has effect on straights but not corners". It removes the need to reach a compromise which works for all parts of the track; one would imagine Mercedes are running less toe on the straights and more toe in the corners than anyone else.

Good point. The question is then, is the biggest improvement from being able to run less toe on the straights or more toe in the corners?

[VladD]

Zoobeef said:

kambites said:

Zoobeef said:

Yes, the twisty bit. Which is where DAS has no effect.

I don't think it makes sense to sway "it has effect on straights but not corners". It removes the need to reach a compromise which works for all parts of the track; one would imagine Mercedes are running less toe on the straights and more toe in the corners than anyone else.

Good point. The question is then, is the biggest improvement from being able to run less toe on the straights or more toe in the corners?

They may be able to change it to be track dependant.

[Deesee]

Zoobeef said:

Yes, the twisty bit. Which is where DAS has no effect.

Duel Access Steering is all about the twisty bits, the upside is also flatting out the footprint of the tyre on the straightest bits, I wonder just how much allowance they can build in race by race, and circuit by circuit..

[anonymous-user]

AJB88 said:

geeks said:

Exactly, I really don't see why Ferrari asking for clarification is them cheating somehow or moving to have it banned.

I did wonder.

If Ferrari had come up with DAS, would the whole world be asking for it to be banned immediately as its them cheating.

The acid test for any innovation in F1 has (during the turbo-hybrid era at least) been dependent upon who came up with it. Ferrari had some clever battery tech that other teams hadn't been able to understand, replicate or surpass, and had the FIA go to quite intrusive lengths, to then find it was legal, back in 2018 IIRC. At the time, Merc were unhappy they were no longer seen as the yardstick of horsepower production, and couldn't fathom how Ferrari might have done the hard yards, educated themselves and developed something nobody else had thought of (sound familiar?)

I expect had they developed DAS instead of Mercedes, there'd be the same level of desire for "clarification" from rival teams, but the media, and most F1 followers would be crying foul and wanting it banned immediately. There's little in the way of parity when it comes to the audience assessing something as innovation or rule bending.

Every sport needs its hero and its villain. Mercedes, for all their domination, are the hero - and Ferrari, since the Schumacher era, has been the villain. In time, perhaps LeClerc can change that perception - he's a likable bloke. But the media need to have a villain, and every hiccup is magnified accordingly, much like press conferences... is there a hope that Seb's about to announce his retirement?! Seems a bit odd...

[Deesee]

GOATever said:

The DAS is to straighten the toe angles on the straights, to reduce scrubbing, whilst allowing the wheels to toe out for corner entry confidence, so how does having the car cornering ( where the toe out is back, essentially the normal setting ) show anything?

was referring to the timing, Ferrari even brought new front and rear wings today..

Edit, Vettel managed a purple sector in sector 3 also... really brought the time down..

Edited by Deesee on Wednesday 26th February 12:18