Formula 1 Pre-season Testing February 2020
Discussion
Ahonen said:
The influence of toe on tyre bulk temperature on the straights is relatively small. If you consider the camber angle then the contact patch is quite small in a straight line. The single biggest influence, by a long, long way, is the brake temperature and how that's ducted through the rims. At the front, where there's still a conventional hydraulic braking system, the ducting is critical.
Reducing scrubbing on the straights is obviously good for reducing the wear which, in turn, helps to retain bulk temperature in the shoulder area. That will be the most beneficial aspect.
Under the SC the front toe will have zero influence. Again it comes back to the usage of the brakes, which is the single most important aspect of gaining both carcass and bulk temperature.
Yea, makes sense - scrap the SC benefit. It was an afterthought as I typed the rest tbh Reducing scrubbing on the straights is obviously good for reducing the wear which, in turn, helps to retain bulk temperature in the shoulder area. That will be the most beneficial aspect.
Under the SC the front toe will have zero influence. Again it comes back to the usage of the brakes, which is the single most important aspect of gaining both carcass and bulk temperature.
The biggest benefit is clearly switching between optimum toe for each circuit in the twisties and then also avoid scrubbing on the straights, everyone else has to make an awkward compromise between the two. With tyres designed to fall off very quickly that sort of more gentle treatment could swing race results - assuming the system works as well as it should..
I’d be thinking that if, if it makes a marginal difference to heat through tyre scrub; however minor, then perhaps on the super soft, there might be an additional lap or two to be made out of the situation.
That being so, it could allow better pace, more often resulting in longer runs on the better tyres
That being so, it could allow better pace, more often resulting in longer runs on the better tyres
C2Red said:
I’d be thinking that if, if it makes a marginal difference to heat through tyre scrub; however minor, then perhaps on the super soft, there might be an additional lap or two to be made out of the situation.
That being so, it could allow better pace, more often resulting in longer runs on the better tyres
All the potential benefits of DAS are probably pretty minor. But in the end, the advantage just has to be enough to protect against an undercut attempt and it's done it's job. Or just to get the tyres back in the window slightly faster than a rival after a long safety car period.. Doesn't really matter how slender the advantage is, if you're the only one with it. And lets face it, the base car even without DAS would very likely to be top of the class anyway.That being so, it could allow better pace, more often resulting in longer runs on the better tyres
OlonMusky said:
Blib said:
Unscheduled Vettel press conference at 3pm today.
Vettel is such a cock-tease, he knows too well majority of us want him to leave and he plays us like a ukulele.OlonMusky said:
Vettel is such a cock-tease, he knows too well majority of us want him to leave and he plays us like a ukulele.
Just out of interest, why do you want him to leave? And who are the majority that want him to leave? I wasn't aware he was a problem. He's one of the most down-to-earth characters in the paddock and has a brilliant sense of humour when not neck deep in the pressure cooker that is Scuderia Ferrari.Give him a car he's comfortable in, and he's still box office. Perhaps that's the issue some have - the fear that if Ferrari cracked it, they might have a few solid, successful years? There seems little chance of that anytime soon, so he's not really causing any bother - he makes enough unforced errors that it makes Hamilton's life quite easy - the media rejoice about that on an almost daily basis, and PH questions his mental state as if he's about to sectioned under the mental health act.
It's very weird, the desire to see him fail, or see his career end. I could understand it if there was a desire to perhaps see Danny Ric at Ferrari in his place, but the primary want appears to be to see his career end, and be sacked in fashion Prost was. At this moment in time, I'd just like to see someone, anyone - challenge Hamilton over a full season, otherwise they might as well just shorten the championship and finish it at Texas or Mexico, as that's all that's needed to wrap it up...
NFC 85 Vette said:
Just out of interest, why do you want him to leave? And who are the majority that want him to leave? I wasn't aware he was a problem. He's one of the most down-to-earth characters in the paddock and has a brilliant sense of humour when not neck deep in the pressure cooker that is Scuderia Ferrari.
Give him a car he's comfortable in, and he's still box office. Perhaps that's the issue some have - the fear that if Ferrari cracked it, they might have a few solid, successful years? There seems little chance of that anytime soon, so he's not really causing any bother - he makes enough unforced errors that it makes Hamilton's life quite easy - the media rejoice about that on an almost daily basis, and PH questions his mental state as if he's about to sectioned under the mental health act.
It's very weird, the desire to see him fail, or see his career end. I could understand it if there was a desire to perhaps see Danny Ric at Ferrari in his place, but the primary want appears to be to see his career end, and be sacked in fashion Prost was. At this moment in time, I'd just like to see someone, anyone - challenge Hamilton over a full season, otherwise they might as well just shorten the championship and finish it at Texas or Mexico, as that's all that's needed to wrap it up...
These are the same people that hated the 4 years that Vettel "dominated" even though he really didn't, but are now "enjoying" Mercedes dominating. Give him a car he's comfortable in, and he's still box office. Perhaps that's the issue some have - the fear that if Ferrari cracked it, they might have a few solid, successful years? There seems little chance of that anytime soon, so he's not really causing any bother - he makes enough unforced errors that it makes Hamilton's life quite easy - the media rejoice about that on an almost daily basis, and PH questions his mental state as if he's about to sectioned under the mental health act.
It's very weird, the desire to see him fail, or see his career end. I could understand it if there was a desire to perhaps see Danny Ric at Ferrari in his place, but the primary want appears to be to see his career end, and be sacked in fashion Prost was. At this moment in time, I'd just like to see someone, anyone - challenge Hamilton over a full season, otherwise they might as well just shorten the championship and finish it at Texas or Mexico, as that's all that's needed to wrap it up...
AJB88 said:
These are the same people that hated the 4 years that Vettel "dominated" even though he really didn't, but are now "enjoying" Mercedes dominating.
Hmmm... I didn't enjoy the red bull dominance as much as I have ended up enjoying Mercedes dominance. I think because Mercedes have dominated for so long now it's stopped being boring and become undeniably impressive. Their PU early advantage is all it nuetralised now, yet they continue to dominate by simply being the (imo) most together and effective team, along with continued new innovation. I've always liked vettel though. During his last 2 WDC years I found F1 a little awkward to watch, too much booing. He himself has always been an entertaining character though.
NFC 85 Vette said:
OlonMusky said:
Vettel is such a cock-tease, he knows too well majority of us want him to leave and he plays us like a ukulele.
Just out of interest, why do you want him to leave? And who are the majority that want him to leave? I wasn't aware he was a problem. He's one of the most down-to-earth characters in the paddock and has a brilliant sense of humour when not neck deep in the pressure cooker that is Scuderia Ferrari.Give him a car he's comfortable in, and he's still box office. Perhaps that's the issue some have - the fear that if Ferrari cracked it, they might have a few solid, successful years? There seems little chance of that anytime soon, so he's not really causing any bother - he makes enough unforced errors that it makes Hamilton's life quite easy - the media rejoice about that on an almost daily basis, and PH questions his mental state as if he's about to sectioned under the mental health act.
It's very weird, the desire to see him fail, or see his career end. I could understand it if there was a desire to perhaps see Danny Ric at Ferrari in his place, but the primary want appears to be to see his career end, and be sacked in fashion Prost was. At this moment in time, I'd just like to see someone, anyone - challenge Hamilton over a full season, otherwise they might as well just shorten the championship and finish it at Texas or Mexico, as that's all that's needed to wrap it up...
Fact is, he’s still faster and more of a character than the vast majority of the grid, just badly let down by his team in recent years.
Maybe some would prefer a field full of Strolls?
TheDeuce said:
AJB88 said:
These are the same people that hated the 4 years that Vettel "dominated" even though he really didn't, but are now "enjoying" Mercedes dominating.
Hmmm... I didn't enjoy the red bull dominance as much as I have ended up enjoying Mercedes dominance. I think because Mercedes have dominated for so long now it's stopped being boring and become undeniably impressive. Their PU early advantage is all it nuetralised now, yet they continue to dominate by simply being the (imo) most together and effective team, along with continued new innovation. I've always liked vettel though. During his last 2 WDC years I found F1 a little awkward to watch, too much booing. He himself has always been an entertaining character though.
And their PU is far from neutralised. It’s still the best all round and probably will open the gap again this year with the developments over the winter.
REALIST123 said:
It’s far more boring than if we had 3 or 4 teams with a chance of winning a championship.
And their PU is far from neutralised. It’s still the best all round and probably will open the gap again this year with the developments over the winter.
I'm personally enjoying the midfield battles these days, so don't mind that Mercedes dominate the championship all that much. Last year leading in to this year also very interesting as we hopefully have a red bull v Ferrari battle too.And their PU is far from neutralised. It’s still the best all round and probably will open the gap again this year with the developments over the winter.
As for the PU.. it's so hard to tell. Many 'experts' consider the PU's to be so close now that other factors now effect results to a greater extent. I myself think Mercedes probably do still have a slim PU advantage if both useable, sustained performance and reliability are considered.
kambites said:
I think the gap has closed in terms of performance; Mercedes still seem to have an edge in terms of reliability and possibly (it's hard to judge) fuel consumption, though.
This morning is proving interesting. The wet track has neutralised everyone's useable power so currently getting to see how the cars themselves perform and grip. Some cars falling off the track when they push a little, other managing relatively clean laps 5-6 seconds faster. NFC 85 Vette said:
Just out of interest, why do you want him to leave? And who are the majority that want him to leave? I wasn't aware he was a problem. He's one of the most down-to-earth characters in the paddock and has a brilliant sense of humour when not neck deep in the pressure cooker that is Scuderia Ferrari.
Give him a car he's comfortable in, and he's still box office. Perhaps that's the issue some have - the fear that if Ferrari cracked it, they might have a few solid, successful years? There seems little chance of that anytime soon, so he's not really causing any bother - he makes enough unforced errors that it makes Hamilton's life quite easy - the media rejoice about that on an almost daily basis, and PH questions his mental state as if he's about to sectioned under the mental health act.
It's very weird, the desire to see him fail, or see his career end. I could understand it if there was a desire to perhaps see Danny Ric at Ferrari in his place, but the primary want appears to be to see his career end, and be sacked in fashion Prost was. At this moment in time, I'd just like to see someone, anyone - challenge Hamilton over a full season, otherwise they might as well just shorten the championship and finish it at Texas or Mexico, as that's all that's needed to wrap it up...
Hear hear.Give him a car he's comfortable in, and he's still box office. Perhaps that's the issue some have - the fear that if Ferrari cracked it, they might have a few solid, successful years? There seems little chance of that anytime soon, so he's not really causing any bother - he makes enough unforced errors that it makes Hamilton's life quite easy - the media rejoice about that on an almost daily basis, and PH questions his mental state as if he's about to sectioned under the mental health act.
It's very weird, the desire to see him fail, or see his career end. I could understand it if there was a desire to perhaps see Danny Ric at Ferrari in his place, but the primary want appears to be to see his career end, and be sacked in fashion Prost was. At this moment in time, I'd just like to see someone, anyone - challenge Hamilton over a full season, otherwise they might as well just shorten the championship and finish it at Texas or Mexico, as that's all that's needed to wrap it up...
Seems like a very strange and inexplicable attitude to have to actively want him out of the sport.
Durzel said:
Hear hear.
Seems like a very strange and inexplicable attitude to have to actively want him out of the sport.
I wonder if it's mostly Ferrari fans that want him out? As if he's part of what's holding Ferrari back?Seems like a very strange and inexplicable attitude to have to actively want him out of the sport.
Maybe his fairly frequent errors are a small problem but I bet half of those errors can be attributed to the car itself. And above and beyond any effect either Ferrari driver has on the results, Ferrari's team and strategy mistakes have in recent years had a far greater effect imo.
Vettel has always been a marmite driver perhaps. I've actually warmed to him since he left Red Bull though.
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