F1 cancelled this year?

F1 cancelled this year?

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anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Is the race team a UK company registered to pay taxes in the UK?

There are thousands upon thousands of companies domiciled all over the world where the benificial owners are not tax resident in the corporate entity's home country.

Can't see a problem with any of the entitled companies (including F1 itself, owned by Liberty) taking advantage of the scheme.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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If the staff pay tax via PAYE, they are entitled to payment through the PAYE based system, it's that simple.

Kraken

1,710 posts

201 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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janesmith1950 said:
Is the race team a UK company registered to pay taxes in the UK?
Yes.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0180633...

Drumroll

3,773 posts

121 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Piginapoke said:
Drumroll said:
But there are many multi-million pound companies that are furloghing staff. Where do yo draw the line that is the problem.
I agree with this- without govt support that lack of cashflow would end many large companies. My issue with Renault F1 is that its owned by Renault, itself owned by the French Govt- that doesn't seem right
But many companies that operate in the UK are not UK owned. So where do you draw the line?

thegreenhell

15,404 posts

220 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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Drumroll said:
But many companies that operate in the UK are not UK owned. So where do you draw the line?
The line is whether the employees are UK taxpayers or not. Our government drew that line there.

Durzel

12,276 posts

169 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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You can’t realistically expect the government to add conditions like that and be able to effectively administer them or be able to determine where to draw the line. The only fair and practically implementable way of doing it is the way they have done.

Renault no doubt pay a variety of taxes for their UK operations, their UK employees certainly do. As said above the alternative is that a lot of these companies either go bust or end their UK activities, meaning that there’s a lot of future tax that is no longer going to be paid once this is all said and done.

Petrus1983

8,759 posts

163 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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Has anyone had tickets for races already cancelled? Were you refunded?

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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French GP now also probably off, now that bans on events and gatherings have been extended until mid July in France.

Not that I expected it to happen. I firmly believe any F1 race this season will be carried out behind closed doors.

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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mstrbkr said:
French GP now also probably off
Well at least something good came out of all this.

Piginapoke

4,768 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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This season is certainly cancelled, no way that flying 1000s of people around the world for fun is going to be advisable or appropriate.

I do wonder what F1 will look like when all this is done, assuming it survives at all. I guess fewer manufacturers, MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines, all of which would eventually encourage more teams. Sounds ok to me, but we will lose 3 or 4 teams before these decisions are made by necessity.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Piginapoke said:
This season is certainly cancelled, no way that flying 1000s of people around the world for fun is going to be advisable or appropriate.

I do wonder what F1 will look like when all this is done, assuming it survives at all. I guess fewer manufacturers, MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines, all of which would eventually encourage more teams. Sounds ok to me, but we will lose 3 or 4 teams before these decisions are made by necessity.
I would LOVE that to be the outcome. Get rid of the bloated monster that F1 has grown into and maybe return a bit to its roots.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,614 posts

273 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Eric Mc said:
I would LOVE that to be the outcome
We know; you never miss an opportunity to tell us.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Eric Mc said:
I would LOVE that to be the outcome
We know; you never miss an opportunity to tell us.
And will continue to do so. Nature is doing what humans are often reluctant to do - reassess what we are and how we do it. F1 is not exempt.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Eric Mc said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Eric Mc said:
I would LOVE that to be the outcome
We know; you never miss an opportunity to tell us.
And will continue to do so. Nature is doing what humans are often reluctant to do - reassess what we are and how we do it. F1 is not exempt.
Well, Eric, even for you that’s plumbing the depths of pessimism.

It seems pretty clear that if what you’re wishing for would be the end of F1. Not ‘as we know it’, quite simply the end.

5 or 6 teams along the lines of Williams wouldn’t be worth bothering with and wouldn’t have a chance of surviving.

Is that really what you wish for? How sad.


Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Of course I don't want the "end of F1". I would like to see it as a less overbloated monster though.

However, I think that there is a general danger to motor sport anyway as it is being squeezed by all sorts of external pressures. Covid 19 is just the latest and most severe. Emerging from it might be the opportunity F1 could use to re-invent itself.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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F1 is an entertainment businesss. Whether anyone likes it or not, if the funding comes from sponsors and the paying public, it's always going to have the commercial element to it.

You could have a small group of privately owned and funded teams battling it out, however they couldn't afford to do it whilst maintaining F1s position as pinnacle of motor racing.

If it isn't the pinnacle, it would be able to attract or afford the best drivers.

If it's a sport featuring not the best cars and not the best drivers, it becomes A N Other Motorsport and fairly unremarkable.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Indeed - but who knows what the world will be like when we emerge out of the current situation.

We've not been here before for a long time. The last major interruption to motor sport on this scale was the six year gap (although it wasn't a full six years everywhere) during World War 2.

Formula 1 emerged as "the new thing" after World War 2. It will be interesting to see what changes (and I'm pretty sure there will be changes) that emerge from this hiatus.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Eric Mc said:
Of course I don't want the "end of F1". I would like to see it as a less overbloated monster though.

However, I think that there is a general danger to motor sport anyway as it is being squeezed by all sorts of external pressures. Covid 19 is just the latest and most severe. Emerging from it might be the opportunity F1 could use to re-invent itself.
But this is what you said you would LOVE to see:

‘MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines....... ..........but we will lose 3 or 4 teams’


Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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REALIST123 said:
But this is what you said you would LOVE to see:

‘MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines....... ..........but we will lose 3 or 4 teams’
Is that supposed to be a quote or your interpretation of what you THINK I was saying?

Clockwork Cupcake

74,614 posts

273 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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There are plenty of junior formulae that match your criteria, Eric.

Quite why anyone would wish for the pinnacle of Motorsport to be forcibly dragged back down to that level is beyond me. But each to their own.