F1 cancelled this year?
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If I were the teams I'd be seeing this as an opportunity to screw down Liberty for a good Concorde deal. Unfortunately they're generally rubbish at holding rank and so Liberty will probably not get shafted to the extent it ought to, though!
There's loads wrong with F1; watching a bunch of cars try to win as slowly as possible to preserve fuel and tyres is a fairly fundamental conflict of interest, however it's still the biggest 'show' and it would be a shame to lose that.
I'd like to see Mercedes and Renault pull out as team owners, a decent budget cap that we all know Ferrari will be hobbling and let's have at least a little less corporate influence. That for me would be a nice balance between it being a racers' sport yet funded enough to continue as a premier show.
There's loads wrong with F1; watching a bunch of cars try to win as slowly as possible to preserve fuel and tyres is a fairly fundamental conflict of interest, however it's still the biggest 'show' and it would be a shame to lose that.
I'd like to see Mercedes and Renault pull out as team owners, a decent budget cap that we all know Ferrari will be hobbling and let's have at least a little less corporate influence. That for me would be a nice balance between it being a racers' sport yet funded enough to continue as a premier show.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
There are plenty of junior formulae that match your criteria, Eric.
Quite why anyone would wish for the pinnacle of Motorsport to be forcibly dragged back down to that level is beyond me. But each to their own.
I'm not sure it's the pinnacle of motorsport at all - it definitely is the pinnacle of overblown self grandiosity.Quite why anyone would wish for the pinnacle of Motorsport to be forcibly dragged back down to that level is beyond me. But each to their own.
And I think matters are out of its control now anyway - no matter how it regards itself.
janesmith1950 said:
If I were the teams I'd be seeing this as an opportunity to screw down Liberty for a good Concorde deal. Unfortunately they're generally rubbish at holding rank and so Liberty will probably not get shafted to the extent it ought to, though!
There's loads wrong with F1; watching a bunch of cars try to win as slowly as possible to preserve fuel and tyres is a fairly fundamental conflict of interest, however it's still the biggest 'show' and it would be a shame to lose that.
I'd like to see Mercedes and Renault pull out as team owners, a decent budget cap that we all know Ferrari will be hobbling and let's have at least a little less corporate influence. That for me would be a nice balance between it being a racers' sport yet funded enough to continue as a premier show.
Good points. It doesn't have to become Formula Ford.There's loads wrong with F1; watching a bunch of cars try to win as slowly as possible to preserve fuel and tyres is a fairly fundamental conflict of interest, however it's still the biggest 'show' and it would be a shame to lose that.
I'd like to see Mercedes and Renault pull out as team owners, a decent budget cap that we all know Ferrari will be hobbling and let's have at least a little less corporate influence. That for me would be a nice balance between it being a racers' sport yet funded enough to continue as a premier show.
CoolHands said:
I agree mostly about the driving slowly thing. Give them unlimited fuel to drive as fast as they want and manadate a decently big minimum fuel tank size. Whether they use it or not is up to them. There will be an equilibrium.
They already underfuel because weight is a bigger deficit in laptime that burning it all flat out.Today's (yesterday's?) situation where 6 cars have any chance of winning, and those teams employ c1,000 people has already gone. The global recession will see to that- Honda, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Haas, Alfa Tauri, Williams will all want out/run out of cash. As Eric says, this is out of F1's hands now.
I see 15 teams, budgets of £30m (for 2 cars, its more than enough), simpler engines, 2 day weekends, relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system), perhaps the end of manufacturer owned teams, less aero. Sounds good to me.
I see 15 teams, budgets of £30m (for 2 cars, its more than enough), simpler engines, 2 day weekends, relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system), perhaps the end of manufacturer owned teams, less aero. Sounds good to me.
So it's looking like the halfway, summer break before F1 starts.
Is it worthwhile or run a compacted run from the Summerbreak into December? All teams etc have freight slots, flights for crew etc and finding new ones for all the kit would be impossible. Even for alot of the established 2020 slots due to uncertainty over carriers and competition for freight etc?
I think 2020 will be cancelled.
Is it worthwhile or run a compacted run from the Summerbreak into December? All teams etc have freight slots, flights for crew etc and finding new ones for all the kit would be impossible. Even for alot of the established 2020 slots due to uncertainty over carriers and competition for freight etc?
I think 2020 will be cancelled.
Piginapoke said:
Today's (yesterday's?) situation where 6 cars have any chance of winning, and those teams employ c1,000 people has already gone. The global recession will see to that- Honda, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Haas, Alfa Tauri, Williams will all want out/run out of cash. As Eric says, this is out of F1's hands now.
I see 15 teams, budgets of £30m (for 2 cars, its more than enough), simpler engines, 2 day weekends, relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system), perhaps the end of manufacturer owned teams, less aero. Sounds good to me.
Sounds awful to me. I see 15 teams, budgets of £30m (for 2 cars, its more than enough), simpler engines, 2 day weekends, relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system), perhaps the end of manufacturer owned teams, less aero. Sounds good to me.
Piginapoke said:
relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system),
That only works in sports where the equipment is the same in the different leagues. It simply wouldn't work in motorsport.Small team in F2 does well, suddenly needs to find an F1 car. Refuses, drops out, merges into another F2 team to continue doing what they do well. Chaos.
Piginapoke said:
Today's (yesterday's?) situation where 6 cars have any chance of winning, and those teams employ c1,000 people has already gone. The global recession will see to that- Honda, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Haas, Alfa Tauri, Williams will all want out/run out of cash. As Eric says, this is out of F1's hands now.
I see 15 teams, budgets of £30m (for 2 cars, its more than enough), simpler engines, 2 day weekends, relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system), perhaps the end of manufacturer owned teams, less aero. Sounds good to me.
God I hope not. I see 15 teams, budgets of £30m (for 2 cars, its more than enough), simpler engines, 2 day weekends, relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system), perhaps the end of manufacturer owned teams, less aero. Sounds good to me.
Eric Mc said:
REALIST123 said:
But this is what you said you would LOVE to see:
‘MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines....... ..........but we will lose 3 or 4 teams’
Is that supposed to be a quote or your interpretation of what you THINK I was saying?‘MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines....... ..........but we will lose 3 or 4 teams’
Piginapoke said:
This season is certainly cancelled, no way that flying 1000s of people around the world for fun is going to be advisable or appropriate.
I do wonder what F1 will look like when all this is done, assuming it survives at all. I guess fewer manufacturers, MUCH smaller team sizes, budgets a fraction of today, simpler engines, all of which would eventually encourage more teams. Sounds ok to me, but we will lose 3 or 4 teams before these decisions are made by necessity.
Eric Mc replied: I would LOVE that to be the outcome. Get rid of the bloated monster that F1 has grown into and maybe return a bit to its roots.
Munter said:
Piginapoke said:
relegation/promotion from F2 (ie the end of the franchise system),
That only works in sports where the equipment is the same in the different leagues. It simply wouldn't work in motorsport.Small team in F2 does well, suddenly needs to find an F1 car. Refuses, drops out, merges into another F2 team to continue doing what they do well. Chaos.
Piginapoke said:
It certainly wouldn’t work at the moment, but it could do, if you drastically lowered the cost of F1. I think the prospect of relegation would add a lot of drama, something that F1 could use a lot more of when it returns!
Oh good heavens no. This isn't football! You'll be wanting a transfer window next.
Piginapoke said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Oh good heavens no. This isn't football!
You'll be wanting a transfer window next.
Haha nope, but can you imagine the interest in both F1 and F2 at the end of the season.You'll be wanting a transfer window next.
RDMcG said:
Bernie thinks they should cancel...
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3214124...
Easy for him to say now, being out of it all. I'm sure that when he was in charge he would have been tenuously hanging on by his fingernails just like Liberty Media are. https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3214124...
However, he's right.
Nampahc Niloc said:
How would car development go? A couple of months of off season is a bit short to design and build a car from scratch.
Off the top of my head, a promoted team could buy a car for a year or two while they get on their feet? I know it’s different, and it relies on MUCH lower barriers to entry than today, but it would be exciting at both ends of the grid. Also would add more point to F2 beyond driver development. Well, I like it as an idea!
Piginapoke said:
Off the top of my head, a promoted team could buy a car for a year or two while they get on their feet?
I know it’s different, and it relies on MUCH lower barriers to entry than today, but it would be exciting at both ends of the grid. Also would add more point to F2 beyond driver development. Well, I like it as an idea!
So that essentially mandates a rigid formula of identical vehicles. I know it’s different, and it relies on MUCH lower barriers to entry than today, but it would be exciting at both ends of the grid. Also would add more point to F2 beyond driver development. Well, I like it as an idea!
Part of the attraction of F1 is the technological innovation of the cars within the restrictions of the rules. Indeed, the fun has always been in the boundaries / edge cases of those rules - double chassis, fans, ground effect, double diffuser, fiddle brakes, trombone steering, and the like. The only way your relegation idea would work would be for drivers to be handed a homogenous off-the-shelf car, which obviates any kind of manufacturer involvement or innovation, and makes drivers athletes with standard equipment. And that completely misses the point of F1.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
So that essentially mandates a rigid formula of identical vehicles.
Part of the attraction of F1 is the technological innovation of the cars within the restrictions of the rules. Indeed, the fun has always been in the boundaries / edge cases of those rules - double chassis, fans, ground effect, double diffuser, fiddle brakes, trombone steering, and the like. The only way your relegation idea would work would be for drivers to be handed a homogenous off-the-shelf car, which obviates any kind of manufacturer involvement or innovation, and makes drivers athletes with standard equipment. And that completely misses the point of F1.
Who mentioned standard equipment? 2 years to buy a car then you need to make your own.Part of the attraction of F1 is the technological innovation of the cars within the restrictions of the rules. Indeed, the fun has always been in the boundaries / edge cases of those rules - double chassis, fans, ground effect, double diffuser, fiddle brakes, trombone steering, and the like. The only way your relegation idea would work would be for drivers to be handed a homogenous off-the-shelf car, which obviates any kind of manufacturer involvement or innovation, and makes drivers athletes with standard equipment. And that completely misses the point of F1.
At the moment, you've the worst of all worlds- tight technical restrictions but unlimited budgets- so teams spend millions to produce identikit cars chasing tiny marginal gains- where's the fun in that? Slash the budgets, loosen the technical regs, encourage innovation, stand back, enjoy.
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