F1 cancelled this year?
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
Yep - all nice to have but not essential for life. We can live without F1 - honestly, we can. Even PHers.
You're missing the point mate. Obviously as a fan I want F1. But as a citizen I know we need every possible area of economic activity to restart once it's practical to do so. I hate football but that's massive so should restart too... Those at low risk should return to being busy as soon as possible.F1 is absolutely not important. But everything in the UK economy which is very important relies upon economic activity - and frankly most of that activity is to deliver us all things we like, but don't strictly need. If the only businesses to resume operation were the critical ones... The country would be bust and inoperable by Christmas.
Eric Mc said:
Yep - all nice to have but not essential for life. We can live without F1 - honestly, we can. Even PHers.
Of course we can live without f1. If it can’t be restarted then we will have to live without it, at least for now. The effects of covid 19 will impact next season and beyond. So maybe we will see a different f1, assuming we do see f1 again. How many millions does the UK make from f1. I suspect it’s quite a big number.
Gazzab said:
Of course we can live without f1. If it can’t be restarted then we will have to live without it, at least for now. The effects of covid 19 will impact next season and beyond. So maybe we will see a different f1, assuming we do see f1 again.
How many millions does the UK make from f1. I suspect it’s quite a big number.
I'd think more so than any other sport, in real terms. Not only does F1 by employing at guess 3-4000 people in the UK create a large internal economic activity, it also does the most valuable thing possible - it brings in new money from overseas. With 7 of the 10 teams largely based in the UK, the amount of 'new' money coming in to the UK must be staggering.How many millions does the UK make from f1. I suspect it’s quite a big number.
It's more or less impossible to calculate the total economic benefit of anything, but if something is very big and attracting endless overseas £££ it's pretty safe to assume it is valuable and that we're better for having it than not.
The release of the first MSUK guidelines and also the response from the BMMC give a clear indication of how the British Grand Prix will be run. It will take place with a skeleton officials and marshalling crew. Lots more detail to come, but a sensible approach and should help to support other smaller UK events.
df76 - I think that the guidelines are much more aimed at club level motorsport that MSUK directly controls, rather than an FIA event, controlled by the FIA, whereby MSUK only have a secondary, local level involvement. I do not think that there will be a reduction in numbers of marshals per post to as few as 4 for F1. Yes at a club meeting at Oulton Park, not for F1 at Silverstone.
And the documents that they have produced need some work, because there are some obvious errors. For example, if you have had a positive Corona test, you have to give the date. However there is nowhere on the form where you can say that you clearly have had Corona, but self-isolated at home and didn't go to be tested either because for example it was before testing was available.
Unless you are a medic, you also have to declare that you have not been in contact in the last 14 days with someone showing symptoms of Corona. How can you possibly confirm that?
There is also a massive reliance on PPE in the documentation. Will that actually be available? We still do not know whether the Government will allow events to go ahead in 6 weeks time, when motor sport is planned to re-open? With shops and other businesses re-opening and people returning to work and going out more, everyone is going to want some form of PPE from masks to visors to the full set used in hospitals. Millions and millions of items. Where is it all coming from?
And the documents that they have produced need some work, because there are some obvious errors. For example, if you have had a positive Corona test, you have to give the date. However there is nowhere on the form where you can say that you clearly have had Corona, but self-isolated at home and didn't go to be tested either because for example it was before testing was available.
Unless you are a medic, you also have to declare that you have not been in contact in the last 14 days with someone showing symptoms of Corona. How can you possibly confirm that?
There is also a massive reliance on PPE in the documentation. Will that actually be available? We still do not know whether the Government will allow events to go ahead in 6 weeks time, when motor sport is planned to re-open? With shops and other businesses re-opening and people returning to work and going out more, everyone is going to want some form of PPE from masks to visors to the full set used in hospitals. Millions and millions of items. Where is it all coming from?
LucyP said:
df76 - I think that the guidelines are much more aimed at club level motorsport that MSUK directly controls, rather than an FIA event, controlled by the FIA, whereby MSUK only have a secondary, local level involvement. I do not think that there will be a reduction in numbers of marshals per post to as few as 4 for F1. Yes at a club meeting at Oulton Park, not for F1 at Silverstone.
And the documents that they have produced need some work, because there are some obvious errors. For example, if you have had a positive Corona test, you have to give the date. However there is nowhere on the form where you can say that you clearly have had Corona, but self-isolated at home and didn't go to be tested either because for example it was before testing was available.
Unless you are a medic, you also have to declare that you have not been in contact in the last 14 days with someone showing symptoms of Corona. How can you possibly confirm that?
There is also a massive reliance on PPE in the documentation. Will that actually be available? We still do not know whether the Government will allow events to go ahead in 6 weeks time, when motor sport is planned to re-open? With shops and other businesses re-opening and people returning to work and going out more, everyone is going to want some form of PPE from masks to visors to the full set used in hospitals. Millions and millions of items. Where is it all coming from?
As I said, it's a clear "indication" of how it's going to work for any UK based international motorsport. There are many reason why official numbers will be significantly reduced and your last paragraph raises some of those issues. It clearly won't work using the previously adopted approach to running meetings, and that is unlikely to happen in 2021 either (and perhaps never again as costs are reduced).And the documents that they have produced need some work, because there are some obvious errors. For example, if you have had a positive Corona test, you have to give the date. However there is nowhere on the form where you can say that you clearly have had Corona, but self-isolated at home and didn't go to be tested either because for example it was before testing was available.
Unless you are a medic, you also have to declare that you have not been in contact in the last 14 days with someone showing symptoms of Corona. How can you possibly confirm that?
There is also a massive reliance on PPE in the documentation. Will that actually be available? We still do not know whether the Government will allow events to go ahead in 6 weeks time, when motor sport is planned to re-open? With shops and other businesses re-opening and people returning to work and going out more, everyone is going to want some form of PPE from masks to visors to the full set used in hospitals. Millions and millions of items. Where is it all coming from?
LucyP said:
There is also a massive reliance on PPE in the documentation. Will that actually be available? We still do not know whether the Government will allow events to go ahead in 6 weeks time, when motor sport is planned to re-open? With shops and other businesses re-opening and people returning to work and going out more, everyone is going to want some form of PPE from masks to visors to the full set used in hospitals. Millions and millions of items. Where is it all coming from?
PPE doesn't need to be medical grade. It says "PPE in line with Government advice". Even in hospitals the full PPE is only used in COVID wards.Staff in Waitrose have PPE (masks, visors). I suspect UK motorsport can secure appropriate kit.
Why do they need millions?
vaud said:
LucyP said:
There is also a massive reliance on PPE in the documentation. Will that actually be available? We still do not know whether the Government will allow events to go ahead in 6 weeks time, when motor sport is planned to re-open? With shops and other businesses re-opening and people returning to work and going out more, everyone is going to want some form of PPE from masks to visors to the full set used in hospitals. Millions and millions of items. Where is it all coming from?
PPE doesn't need to be medical grade. It says "PPE in line with Government advice". Even in hospitals the full PPE is only used in COVID wards.Staff in Waitrose have PPE (masks, visors). I suspect UK motorsport can secure appropriate kit.
Why do they need millions?
Suspect F1 will do an awesome job of blocking transmission and others will adopt the same approaches. The key media will be given exclusive demonstrations of how the systems will work so that they have an interesting and positive story to write about how F1 is returning - as opposed to a purely speculative story questioning if it should or not.
PPE is just one of a hundred new factors that an army of very smart chaps and chapesses will be working on. Not just to achieve, but to achieve in ways that can be shown off and can lead the rest of the sporting world.
Eric Mc said:
Looks like quick journalism to me... lots of "may". Speculation, nothing concrete?vaud said:
Eric Mc said:
Looks like quick journalism to me... lots of "may". Speculation, nothing concrete?It's always been the case that no practical travel options would scupper the running of GP's this year and maybe even next. That has been the insolvable hurdle since day one.
Either they let the teams in with quarantine measures they can make work, or they don't..
LucyP said:
And the documents that they have produced need some work, because there are some obvious errors. For example, if you have had a positive Corona test, you have to give the date. However there is nowhere on the form where you can say that you clearly have had Corona, but self-isolated at home and didn't go to be tested either because for example it was before testing was available.
Unless you are a medic, you also have to declare that you have not been in contact in the last 14 days with someone showing symptoms of Corona. How can you possibly confirm that?
1. If you haven’t had a positive test, you cannot know that you have had corona. There are plenty of diseases that give similar symptoms. Anyone with kids can attest to that. Assuming you’ve already had it without a positive test is a risky assumption to make. Unless you are a medic, you also have to declare that you have not been in contact in the last 14 days with someone showing symptoms of Corona. How can you possibly confirm that?
2. You’re right, you can never be sure that you haven’t been in contact with anyone showing symptoms, unless you’ve spent 14 day’s in isolation. I suppose they will have to run it on a “to the best of your knowledge” basis.
A better version of the no F1 without quarantine exemptions story from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52723200
Does the 14 day rule also have implications for F1 beyond just the race at Silverstone but also all races when the team members and equipment are due to "come back to base" in between races as most of the grid operate out the UK?
If the season is going to operate the 14 day quarantine exemption in UK must be essential?
Considering economic and technological contributions F1 and motorsport makes to the economy I don't think unreal that if managed correctly this sort of exemption can be made?
If the season is going to operate the 14 day quarantine exemption in UK must be essential?
Considering economic and technological contributions F1 and motorsport makes to the economy I don't think unreal that if managed correctly this sort of exemption can be made?
poosemon said:
Does the 14 day rule also have implications for F1 beyond just the race at Silverstone but also all races when the team members and equipment are due to "come back to base" in between races as most of the grid operate out the UK?
If the season is going to operate the 14 day quarantine exemption in UK must be essential?
Considering economic and technological contributions F1 and motorsport makes to the economy I don't think unreal that if managed correctly this sort of exemption can be made?
Without an exception the staff won't be able to come back to the UK without going home and isolating for 14 days. You can imagine how practical that is from both a work and home life perspective.If the season is going to operate the 14 day quarantine exemption in UK must be essential?
Considering economic and technological contributions F1 and motorsport makes to the economy I don't think unreal that if managed correctly this sort of exemption can be made?
poosemon said:
Does the 14 day rule also have implications for F1 beyond just the race at Silverstone but also all races when the team members and equipment are due to "come back to base" in between races as most of the grid operate out the UK?
If the season is going to operate the 14 day quarantine exemption in UK must be essential?
Considering economic and technological contributions F1 and motorsport makes to the economy I don't think unreal that if managed correctly this sort of exemption can be made?
Whatever the quarantine periods expected Liberty can try and shuffle the schedule to allow for them.If the season is going to operate the 14 day quarantine exemption in UK must be essential?
Considering economic and technological contributions F1 and motorsport makes to the economy I don't think unreal that if managed correctly this sort of exemption can be made?
However, to race at all will need agreement from the teams - and if the teams and drivers don't happen to fancy being isolated for 2 weeks in between each destination (who would...!?) then that would indeed kill the chances of F1 this year.
The world's governments are well aware of that, they know that quarantine blocks international sport which is extremely valuable - it's just another very big decision they have to make as they calculate how we get the economy up and running again.
For that reason alone I would expect at least some governments will make exceptions to quarantine for those coming for temporary work from trusted countries, provided they maintain several weeks history of testing and keep a record of their movements. Whether the UK government will back such a scheme, who knows...
TheDeuce said:
Whatever the quarantine periods expected Liberty can try and shuffle the schedule to allow for them.
However, to race at all will need agreement from the teams - and if the teams and drivers don't happen to fancy being isolated for 2 weeks in between each destination (who would...!?) then that would indeed kill the chances of F1 this year.
The world's governments are well aware of that, they know that quarantine blocks international sport which is extremely valuable - it's just another very big decision they have to make as they calculate how we get the economy up and running again.
For that reason alone I would expect at least some governments will make exceptions to quarantine for those coming for temporary work from trusted countries, provided they maintain several weeks history of testing and keep a record of their movements. Whether the UK government will back such a scheme, who knows...
I think you might be overplaying the financial value against the wider implications if something goes wrong. For all intents and purposes F1 is a minority sport of very rich people that forms entertainment. Outside of state sponsored nations where F1 rounds are bought for the cache, it isn't really at the front of any politicians' minds. The positive PR or economic value in F1 being given an exception pails into insignificance if it's allowed to travel and begins sending the virus around the world.However, to race at all will need agreement from the teams - and if the teams and drivers don't happen to fancy being isolated for 2 weeks in between each destination (who would...!?) then that would indeed kill the chances of F1 this year.
The world's governments are well aware of that, they know that quarantine blocks international sport which is extremely valuable - it's just another very big decision they have to make as they calculate how we get the economy up and running again.
For that reason alone I would expect at least some governments will make exceptions to quarantine for those coming for temporary work from trusted countries, provided they maintain several weeks history of testing and keep a record of their movements. Whether the UK government will back such a scheme, who knows...
If F1 disappeared tomorrow from the world, the GDP blip would be barely noticeable.
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