F1 cancelled this year?
Discussion
jsf said:
I can buy face masks online no problem at all. I used this company to send my nurse sister some hand sanitiser for her team when there were issues with it getting to the front line staff via the NHS admin system. There wasn't a shortage of what she needed in the system, but it didnt get to everyone because of internal NHS screwups. I sorted it out for her in one day, they now dont need my help because the cockups have been fixed. https://www.jennychem.com/collections/sanitising-a...
The PPE kit required in a hospital environment is different to that required in the general public. Those dealing with CV19 patients use N95 masks to stop the virus passing into the care staff's system.
The PPE kit the general population will use is a lower grade that does not stop the virus, it is used to stop a carrier of the virus transmitting it by exhaling droplets.
N95 masks protect the wearer, general spec masks protect other people.
The obvious reason F1 hasn't been making PPE is it's a mass production item, F1 is not the right engineering base for this.
Where F1 has produced goods has been in lower volume manufacture, with Mercedes making the high precision air control valves that have kept people off ventilators and McLaren making the trolleys for the ventilators that have been rolled out. The other teams working on ventilators weren't used because there hasn't been a shortage of them. Had that not been the case they would have used the F1 teams to ramp up supply. It's good news that the Red Bull kit wasn't required.
Getting back to F1 team staff movements, there will have to be a rotation of team staff for it to be workable if a quarantine of 14 days is required whilst travelling. That will probably work by having the build team in the factory not travelling to the events, so you isolate the teams into smaller groups. McLaren have already been doing this with their ventilator trolley build, where they have multiple teams kept apart.
If the race crew have to stay home for 14 days post a foreign trip they will do it, if they need to be away abroad for a month at a time, they will do it.
F1 is big enough to manage this, it's other motorsports like mine that can't, as we run on the minimum staff levels to work under normal times. It may be that we have events available at Spa in August we would normally attend, but we wont be able to because the cost of the quarantine post event is too high to make it a viable option. Same goes for when the sport gets opened up in the UK, we may be OK to attend but as all our drivers live outside the UK, they wont come because of the 14 day quarantine. God knows how you social distance in the pits at our events, we are usually on top of each other at the best of times.
I can buy masks too. Lucy might be right about Screwfix not selling them but I doubt F1 was planning on going to Screwfix anyway The PPE kit required in a hospital environment is different to that required in the general public. Those dealing with CV19 patients use N95 masks to stop the virus passing into the care staff's system.
The PPE kit the general population will use is a lower grade that does not stop the virus, it is used to stop a carrier of the virus transmitting it by exhaling droplets.
N95 masks protect the wearer, general spec masks protect other people.
The obvious reason F1 hasn't been making PPE is it's a mass production item, F1 is not the right engineering base for this.
Where F1 has produced goods has been in lower volume manufacture, with Mercedes making the high precision air control valves that have kept people off ventilators and McLaren making the trolleys for the ventilators that have been rolled out. The other teams working on ventilators weren't used because there hasn't been a shortage of them. Had that not been the case they would have used the F1 teams to ramp up supply. It's good news that the Red Bull kit wasn't required.
Getting back to F1 team staff movements, there will have to be a rotation of team staff for it to be workable if a quarantine of 14 days is required whilst travelling. That will probably work by having the build team in the factory not travelling to the events, so you isolate the teams into smaller groups. McLaren have already been doing this with their ventilator trolley build, where they have multiple teams kept apart.
If the race crew have to stay home for 14 days post a foreign trip they will do it, if they need to be away abroad for a month at a time, they will do it.
F1 is big enough to manage this, it's other motorsports like mine that can't, as we run on the minimum staff levels to work under normal times. It may be that we have events available at Spa in August we would normally attend, but we wont be able to because the cost of the quarantine post event is too high to make it a viable option. Same goes for when the sport gets opened up in the UK, we may be OK to attend but as all our drivers live outside the UK, they wont come because of the 14 day quarantine. God knows how you social distance in the pits at our events, we are usually on top of each other at the best of times.
It is indeed sad to hear of your situation, it must be endlessly frustrating.
I'm expected 'by demand' to return to work very soon and I too can't really not be close to people, working in a high speed environment stuff simply has to get done. I'm not sure which of us has the hardest deal tbh - the fact I have to go back and and rub shoulders with others or the fact you can't..
Either way 2020 won't be a year to remember.
janesmith1950 said:
I feel for you JSF. We possibly don't agree on this, however I fear many of the restrictions have been unnecessary and will cause a lot of damage going forward.
It's only money Jane. One way or the other we will come out the other side. I'm old enough to have lived through numerous economic crashes, it's s
t, but life is full of ups and downs and you adapt as required.None of us can say for certain what the correct path is, what was correct at one time might need to change later, you need to be flexible and change your mind when the evidence changes. With our press and w
ker political class who only know how to criticise that's a difficult thing to manage.jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Either way 2020 won't be a year to remember.
It is for me, i'm the current 2020 Silverstone GP lap record holder and only winner of an event on the circuit this year. 
I think Lewis might bag that soon though.
Well done! That's not something most can say by mid season under any circumstances!
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Either way 2020 won't be a year to remember.
It is for me, i'm the current 2020 Silverstone GP lap record holder and only winner of an event on the circuit this year. I think Lewis might bag that soon though.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Obviously off topic... but please tell us more. This sounds more interesting and is actually a new subject rather than going over old ground.
I entered and won a very special event held every year at Silverstone by the VSCC. https://www.vscc.co.uk/page/events?eventID=1613It absolutely threw it down, which suited me perfectly.
jsf said:
I entered and won a very special event held every year at Silverstone by the VSCC. https://www.vscc.co.uk/page/events?eventID=1613
It absolutely threw it down, which suited me perfectly.
I recall that this is a world of very unique rules and not some kind of sprint....and like nothing else. I may be wrong.It absolutely threw it down, which suited me perfectly.
RDMcG said:
I recall that this is a world of very unique rules and not some kind of sprint....and like nothing else. I may be wrong.
It's certainly unique, there are five tests in the event, the final one being a 40 minute session on the GP circuit where you are given a target number of laps to achieve in that time, the number of laps you have to do is based on the performance of the car, with lower performance cars having fewer laps to achieve.It's a great event that aims to allow a car built in 1920 to compete with one built today, using a handicap system that not many people understand, you can be quickest in every test yet still not win the event, so i was more than delighted to have won overall. I set fastest time on three of the tests including fastest time on the GP circuit laps.
If you have a race licence and road legal car you are happy to use on a circuit in competition, it's a great event to try, you'll find yourself mixing with all sorts of kit from every era of racing. I entered because i thought it would be fun to share the track with the driver i usually look after in an F1 car, he was driving his GT40.
vaud said:
(Pedant alert)
Rules are either unique or not unique. There are not shades of unique-ness.
Well said. Unfortunately, it's a bit late. Unique has gone from being the description for something, well, unique to meaning a bit unusual. I know the language changes over the years, but 'the only ones of their kind' lacks a certain zing, and it won't be long before someone prefixes is with 'more or less'. My old, now, no doubt, dead English instructor would have sat in a chair and fanned herself cool if any of us had written very unique.Rules are either unique or not unique. There are not shades of unique-ness.
Derek Smith said:
Well said. Unfortunately, it's a bit late. Unique has gone from being the description for something, well, unique to meaning a bit unusual. I know the language changes over the years, but 'the only ones of their kind' lacks a certain zing, and it won't be long before someone prefixes is with 'more or less'. My old, now, no doubt, dead English instructor would have sat in a chair and fanned herself cool if any of us had written very unique.
Surely before worrying about 'unique' there must be a war waged against those who literally don't know how to use 'literally'?Or worst of all, people who habitually employ a double negative to adamantly state the opposite of what they are trying to say.
"I don't want no virus"
I'm sorry to say Derek, we (Mrs Deuce and I) do know a primary school teacher who is guilty of all the above!
Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 20th May 09:39
TheDeuce said:
Derek Smith said:
Well said. Unfortunately, it's a bit late. Unique has gone from being the description for something, well, unique to meaning a bit unusual. I know the language changes over the years, but 'the only ones of their kind' lacks a certain zing, and it won't be long before someone prefixes is with 'more or less'. My old, now, no doubt, dead English instructor would have sat in a chair and fanned herself cool if any of us had written very unique.
Surely before worrying about 'unique' there must be a war waged against those who literally don't know how to use 'literally'?Or worst of all, people who habitually employ a double negative to adamantly state the opposite of what they are trying to say.
"I don't want no virus"
I'm sorry to say Derek, we do know a primary school teacher who is guilty of all the above!
Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 20th May 09:38
I’m fully with you on the “literally” issue. A come back that I sometimes get is “language evolves, the dictionary has been updated”. I have 2 points to that:
1. What are we supposed to say to meant “literally” in its original form?
2. If we stamped out it’s use when “metaphorically” should be used then we could go back to how things were and the dictionary would be reverted.
Nampahc Niloc said:
I’m fully with you on the “literally” issue. A come back that I sometimes get is “language evolves, the dictionary has been updated”.
Substitute the words "F1" for language in the above sentence and that's the reply many give to me on PH when I complain about modern F1 - “F1 evolves, the rules have been updated”.
It seems it's a valid approach to a debate if you agree with the sentiment - but not if you don't.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Normally I would be against going this far off topic, but in these unprecedented times...
I’m fully with you on the “literally” issue. A come back that I sometimes get is “language evolves, the dictionary has been updated”. I have 2 points to that:
1. What are we supposed to say to meant “literally” in its original form?
2. If we stamped out it’s use when “metaphorically” should be used then we could go back to how things were and the dictionary would be reverted.
That's the base problem with the excuse of "language evolution". Yes, languages evolve but we live in times where now it is evolving to become less accurate. It is in fact devolving, modern language trends make it less likely that a person will understand the nuances of what is being said to them.I’m fully with you on the “literally” issue. A come back that I sometimes get is “language evolves, the dictionary has been updated”. I have 2 points to that:
1. What are we supposed to say to meant “literally” in its original form?
2. If we stamped out it’s use when “metaphorically” should be used then we could go back to how things were and the dictionary would be reverted.
For the sake of briefly returning to topic: https://youtu.be/w_YIlEOqF58
Discussion with Pringle about the confirmed plans to hold a double header at Silverstone.
No new news and of course he's keen to stipulate it may not be possible. Some interesting chat in general though.
Discussion with Pringle about the confirmed plans to hold a double header at Silverstone.
No new news and of course he's keen to stipulate it may not be possible. Some interesting chat in general though.
Apparently Hockenheim is now the favourite to replace Silverstone on the provisional calendar, in order to get around the UK quarantine rules. This would mean that UK teams would have to go on the road for a number of races in succession without returning home, although they could send cars and parts between the factory and whichever race track they were visiting, if necessary.
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