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garryb

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235 posts

174 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Saw this on FB , anyone have any idea

garryb

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174 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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RicksAlfas

13,396 posts

244 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Do you get in through the roof?!

lukeharding

2,947 posts

89 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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I don't, though I initially thought it could have been built off of an e-type, but the wheel base looks too long. However I'd love to see more, as it looks bonkers!

CAPP0

19,582 posts

203 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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The concept looks a bit Nova-ish although those were more angular. I'm going to go with some form of kit/modified E-type given the proportions and the rear door/window.

Turbobanana

6,266 posts

201 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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The apparent lack of rear discs suggests E-Type (they have inboard rear brakes not visible through the wheel spokes).

nicanary

9,795 posts

146 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Could it be some form of Kellison ?




dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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garryb said:

Saw this on FB , anyone have any idea
Wonder who has found that then? As said above, almost certainly a Kellison (modified roof) of sorts (USA).

Californian Jim Kellison. a former fighter pilot for the United States Air Force formed the company in 1950s.
He began experimenting with plastic (fibreglass) sportscar bodies in 1954. Like so many back then, especially in the UK.

Flying Phil

1,585 posts

145 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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It has a very low bonnet line so I think it is probably rear engine - VW powered - as per the Nova. Large front drum brakes and wire wheels are a puzzle - from a Healey 100/4 possibly?

Edited by Flying Phil on Friday 1st May 14:52

Star Kicker

45 posts

125 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Similar rear styling as the Maserati 450S Costin-Zagato

piper

295 posts

268 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Although it looks similar to a Kellison J5, there are some significant differences, the side on this car rolls in a lot more inwards, the rear overhang is a lot shorter and the rear screen has a lot more of a taper. The wheels look 13" to me, so I think the car is smaller than a Kellison. I think it would be a lot of effort to modify the already radical-looking Kellison in this way especially the roof system. In my opinion a one-off with no doubt a very interesting story behind it, shame we can't gather more info from the registration number. Would be interesting to know how old the photos are and if the car is still together and where it is.

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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piper said:
Although it looks similar to a Kellison J5, there are some significant differences, the side on this car rolls in a lot more inwards, the rear overhang is a lot shorter and the rear screen has a lot more of a taper. The wheels look 13" to me, so I think the car is smaller than a Kellison. I think it would be a lot of effort to modify the already radical-looking Kellison in this way especially the roof system. In my opinion a one-off with no doubt a very interesting story behind it, shame we can't gather more info from the registration number. Would be interesting to know how old the photos are and if the car is still together and where it is.
I agree in part, but there were literally hundreds, if not several thousands of Kellisons from the early bodies (just like here in the UK, shove a body on a chassis and modify to your hearts content!).

The rear doesn't I agree look like the run o' the mill Kellison, but what is a run o' the mill Kellison.
Example!!!!! hehe

The odd thing is it being UK registered. But plenty of stuff got imported or brought over, no different to our (UK) kit cars getting exported to the US.
A 'C' suffix so what's that, 1965. The business by then was also carried over by Allied Fibreglass who offered new bodies, Kellison was still going. I used to know a lot more but forgotten it all -it's a bloody minefield specialist cars. There were K and J types, the company got sold, bodies were offered by a different set up. Some cars were called Astra and others Panther (how's that to confuse a Brit!). Another later one (I think!) was the Stallion.
Another effect of the Kellison was a Cobra clone, many Kellisons (of sorts) were entered in motor sport (memory is fickle) but they were allowed into racing by the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America).
Jim Kellison died in 2004 I think he ended up in the jewellery business.

If it is not a Kellison (of some kind) wtf is it?

Ambleton

6,656 posts

192 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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My first thought was a modified Piper, but it would have basically a totally new back end.





Cant think of much else that low with similar proportions.

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Ok, changing tack, let's say it's a Brit. I've changed my mind as I can see s/wheel so def rhd. Who'd import a Kellison and convert to rhd, nobody in right mind.

What 'could' it be or more to the point what is it trying to resemble?
A low-drag E-type?

Agree now looking at it again, wires could be 13in, usual period size tyres. Wonder how long that's been standing?

Add to that, it has common (then) round Lucas (60s' glass) indicators/chrome bezel, and Lucas stop/tail (Frogeye type).
Typical period door mirror plastic chrome of the era.
What wheel spinners had a 'gap' in the ears? They don't look like normal solid ears.

Orig door line looks filled. Is that roof modded to raise a la Nova?

I've changed my mind - it's a Brit. rotate

Orig post now edited to above! LOL

Edited by dandarez on Friday 1st May 16:32

Kisjes

33 posts

189 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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This one is keeping a lot of people busy. One guy mentioned the fact that we cannot see any brake discs of drums, that it has a Jaguar or Rover rear suspension. Could very well be.

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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KUR - now where was that registered?

Consult my cool trusty Raleigh Press 1950's Guide 'Where' that car from?' bible!

Hertford C.


garryb

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Mike-tf3n0

571 posts

82 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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It's got a fuel filler on top of the right rear wing so probably not rear engined, and the hubs are the 'curly' type as used on myriad British cars from Jaguar to MG and others. Can't help wondering how much the driver would be able to see with windows that small! Interesting though.

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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Thoughts from a friend who knows (much!) more about such stuff than I do :

Quite a mystery, but rebodies and specials usually take some unravelling.
Possibly a rebodied DB2, it had a rear door like the E Type coupe and the window was a similar shape, it also had the same Lucas light units though these could be found on many vehicles from Morris Minors to D type Jags. The 1965 reg. is probably misleading and may have come on first Uk registration of an import or as was the case, treating the special as a new car rather than reusing the original issue. UR was Hertfordshire at the time and Lotus were then at Cheshunt and many of their press cars had UR plates. However their chassis were much more lightweight, this is a 1950’s performance spec. with large wire wheels and perforated drum brakes and large quick release petrol filler cap. By the sixties disc brakes were the norm and had been available on many sports models by the mid fifties with magnesium lightweight wheels too. Possibly some link to Frank Costin, of Marcos fame but he was based in Kettering I think. Aston weren’t too far away at Newport Pagnell but I don’t think they would have been dabbling with plastic bodied specials despite their continual search for capital over the years.


Jediworrier

434 posts

188 months

Friday 1st May 2020
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I'm with the E-type suggestion.

Shell mounted low on chassis,
Roof chop,
Arches cut out to accomadate wheels,
Bottom of boot cut off hence lowering boot to accomadate weird roof access.

The front screen is obviously not correct but I doubt you could cut down an E-type screen.