The Official F1 2021 silly season *contains speculation*
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Nampahc Niloc said:
That’s got to be the end for Albon at Red Bull. Did I miss something? How did he end up twelfth?
Red Bull are intimating that it's the car and not him. Horner responded to the suggestion that Gasly could swap back in as pointless because they believe that Gasly would struggle just as much (as, indeed, he did last year)
Begs the question how Verstappen gets results out of it. One wonders if they've done a Honda MotoGP and created something that only Max's unnatural ability can get performance out of.
Muzzer79 said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
That’s got to be the end for Albon at Red Bull. Did I miss something? How did he end up twelfth?
Red Bull are intimating that it's the car and not him. Horner responded to the suggestion that Gasly could swap back in as pointless because they believe that Gasly would struggle just as much (as, indeed, he did last year)
Begs the question how Verstappen gets results out of it. One wonders if they've done a Honda MotoGP and created something that only Max's unnatural ability can get performance out of.
I feel for Albon. Thoroughly decent guy. Very quick.
But being at the sharp end of F1 requires brutal mental strength. Some of the quickest and strongest drivers have become unstuck when up against a teammate who is both faster and arguably one of the best in the field.
Marko doesn't need speed so much - all F1 drivers are quick. He needs a driver with abnormal mental strength and resilience.
But being at the sharp end of F1 requires brutal mental strength. Some of the quickest and strongest drivers have become unstuck when up against a teammate who is both faster and arguably one of the best in the field.
Marko doesn't need speed so much - all F1 drivers are quick. He needs a driver with abnormal mental strength and resilience.
Leithen said:
I feel for Albon. Thoroughly decent guy. Very quick.
But being at the sharp end of F1 requires brutal mental strength. Some of the quickest and strongest drivers have become unstuck when up against a teammate who is both faster and arguably one of the best in the field.
Marko doesn't need speed so much - all F1 drivers are quick. He needs a driver with abnormal mental strength and resilience.
It’s no so much about the team mate... the car is snappy, edgy. Max clearly copes with it, Albon and Gasly can’t. The Alfa T is clearly more suited to Gasly’s tastes. Album’s drives in that team got him the RedBull drive so they clearly felt they had their man. Now we have deja vu.But being at the sharp end of F1 requires brutal mental strength. Some of the quickest and strongest drivers have become unstuck when up against a teammate who is both faster and arguably one of the best in the field.
Marko doesn't need speed so much - all F1 drivers are quick. He needs a driver with abnormal mental strength and resilience.
Gasly was in exactly the same position Albon occupies now, get rid, he’s not good enough, give the drive to Albon. Now some PHers as saying give it to back to Gasly. Would the outcome be any different second time round?
Muzzer79 said:
Red Bull are intimating that it's the car and not him.
Horner responded to the suggestion that Gasly could swap back in as pointless because they believe that Gasly would struggle just as much (as, indeed, he did last year)
Begs the question how Verstappen gets results out of it. One wonders if they've done a Honda MotoGP and created something that only Max's unnatural ability can get performance out of.
Reminds me of the Benneton/Schumacher years. The No. 2 driver would often qualify about 6th, whilst Sch was on pole. Herbert, Lehto and Verstappen Snr all struggled to get a tune out of it.Horner responded to the suggestion that Gasly could swap back in as pointless because they believe that Gasly would struggle just as much (as, indeed, he did last year)
Begs the question how Verstappen gets results out of it. One wonders if they've done a Honda MotoGP and created something that only Max's unnatural ability can get performance out of.
HighwayStar said:
Leithen said:
I feel for Albon. Thoroughly decent guy. Very quick.
But being at the sharp end of F1 requires brutal mental strength. Some of the quickest and strongest drivers have become unstuck when up against a teammate who is both faster and arguably one of the best in the field.
Marko doesn't need speed so much - all F1 drivers are quick. He needs a driver with abnormal mental strength and resilience.
It’s no so much about the team mate... the car is snappy, edgy. Max clearly copes with it, Albon and Gasly can’t. The Alfa T is clearly more suited to Gasly’s tastes. Album’s drives in that team got him the RedBull drive so they clearly felt they had their man. Now we have deja vu.But being at the sharp end of F1 requires brutal mental strength. Some of the quickest and strongest drivers have become unstuck when up against a teammate who is both faster and arguably one of the best in the field.
Marko doesn't need speed so much - all F1 drivers are quick. He needs a driver with abnormal mental strength and resilience.
Gasly was in exactly the same position Albon occupies now, get rid, he’s not good enough, give the drive to Albon. Now some PHers as saying give it to back to Gasly. Would the outcome be any different second time round?
Dr Murdoch said:
Reminds me of the Benneton/Schumacher years. The No. 2 driver would often qualify about 6th, whilst Sch was on pole. Herbert, Lehto and Verstappen Snr all struggled to get a tune out of it.
That’s the big advantage of being no 1 driver and having the car / team built around you. If the team do too good a job, only the no 1 driver can drive the car properly.Do we think this is something RB are looking to change? That is, build a car that more than one person can get the most out of. Have they just accepted that until the new regs it doesn't matter who they put in the seat?
They've managed to do well enough this year just with Max, but this might not (is unlikely) to continue forever, and won't lead to a constructors championship. They will need two drivers at the sharp end.
I like the idea above of putting Albon back in the AT and bringing in Hulk/Perez. Not much for RB to lose in terms of points doing this I'd say and it'd be interesting - at least for a race or two - from a spectator's perspective.
They've managed to do well enough this year just with Max, but this might not (is unlikely) to continue forever, and won't lead to a constructors championship. They will need two drivers at the sharp end.
I like the idea above of putting Albon back in the AT and bringing in Hulk/Perez. Not much for RB to lose in terms of points doing this I'd say and it'd be interesting - at least for a race or two - from a spectator's perspective.
CoolHands said:
Russel made me laugh “I’ve got a contract...” waaaa
As soon as someone utters that - they’re normally terminally doomed
Not sure what else a driver is supposed to say when asked stupid questions. As soon as someone utters that - they’re normally terminally doomed
I know the reporters feel they need to ask, but it would be one in a million if a driver was like 'well actually Jeff, and this is an exclusive for you whilst we're stood here next to the Williams catering truck, I'm going to be a Mercedes development driver next year'.
number2 said:
I like the idea above of putting Albon back in the AT and bringing in Hulk/Perez. Not much for RB to lose in terms of points doing this I'd say and it'd be interesting - at least for a race or two - from a spectator's perspective.
Would Marko be happy to basically concede that his multi-million pound driver development programme (which, as far as I can tell, is currently funding 9 drivers outside of F1) isn't working and buy in an 'ageing' driver? I mean I guess they're doing a good job of funding drivers for an eventual career in FE and FIAWEC but I'm not sure that was the plan.Edited by ch37 on Monday 26th October 11:32
ch37 said:
Would Marko be happy to basically concede that his multi-million pound driver development programme (which, as far as I can tell, is currently funding 9 drivers outside of F1) isn't working and buy in an 'ageing' driver? I mean I guess they're doing a good job of funding drivers for an eventual career in FE and FIAWEC but I'm not sure that was the plan.
Or is it conceding that the car isn't driveable by those currently on the programme, so they are - in the short-term - trying another approach?Edited by ch37 on Monday 26th October 11:32
Gasly couldn't drive it, Albon can't drive it, so what to do? Put someone else in for a try while you develop the car?
Dr Murdoch said:
Muzzer79 said:
Red Bull are intimating that it's the car and not him.
Horner responded to the suggestion that Gasly could swap back in as pointless because they believe that Gasly would struggle just as much (as, indeed, he did last year)
Begs the question how Verstappen gets results out of it. One wonders if they've done a Honda MotoGP and created something that only Max's unnatural ability can get performance out of.
Reminds me of the Benneton/Schumacher years. The No. 2 driver would often qualify about 6th, whilst Sch was on pole. Herbert, Lehto and Verstappen Snr all struggled to get a tune out of it.Horner responded to the suggestion that Gasly could swap back in as pointless because they believe that Gasly would struggle just as much (as, indeed, he did last year)
Begs the question how Verstappen gets results out of it. One wonders if they've done a Honda MotoGP and created something that only Max's unnatural ability can get performance out of.
ch37 said:
Would Marko be happy to basically concede that his multi-million pound driver development programme (which, as far as I can tell, is currently funding 9 drivers outside of F1) isn't working and buy in an 'ageing' driver? I mean I guess they're doing a good job of funding drivers for an eventual career in FE and FIAWEC but I'm not sure that was the plan.
Both he and Horner have said as much in the last couple of weeks. They have openly said that the second RBR will be piloted either by Albon or an experienced driver from outside their pool next year, because they haven't got anybody else fast enough coming through their system. Dr Murdoch said:
Exige77 said:
That’s the big advantage of being no 1 driver and having the car / team built around you. If the team do too good a job, only the no 1 driver can drive the car properly.
Indeed. The situations appear to be remarkably similar.
I just think he is better at adjusting to one than Albon. The reason for my comment was that channel 4 quoted Horner saying Albon needs to do well to last over the next two weekend (starting with Portugal). Well he didn’t do well start of finish. Coulthard kept saying he did well in quali, but that was rubbish. Even when he put it in fourth position, he was still a third of a second off Max, who then improved along with CLC and Pérez.
thegreenhell said:
ch37 said:
Would Marko be happy to basically concede that his multi-million pound driver development programme (which, as far as I can tell, is currently funding 9 drivers outside of F1) isn't working and buy in an 'ageing' driver? I mean I guess they're doing a good job of funding drivers for an eventual career in FE and FIAWEC but I'm not sure that was the plan.
Both he and Horner have said as much in the last couple of weeks. They have openly said that the second RBR will be piloted either by Albon or an experienced driver from outside their pool next year, because they haven't got anybody else fast enough coming through their system. Leithen said:
I feel for Albon. Thoroughly decent guy. Very quick.
Why do people say this?Where has he been "very quick". His whole f1 career he has not been "very quick". People say he could have had 3 podiums but a website did a good rundown of them and he was only in those positions because of others bad fortune
How is he very quick? he is in the 2nd fastest car and couldn't even overtake kimi on a track with arguably the strongest drs section of the season.
He started 6th and finished BEHIND Vettel and Kimi who started 15th and 16th.
People blame the car but his whole career is poor he got dropped from the rb drivers programme but I suppose he has never ever won a championship he has competed in because some how all the teams must have favoured the other driver.
Put Russell, Gasley, Hulk and Perez in that car and no way would they be 8 tenths off Verstappen.
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