The Official F1 2021 silly season *contains speculation*
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faa77 said:
Get an experienced drive for one season and put Albon in AT (not as punishment). Albon vs Gasly in AT, winner gets RBR drive in 2022??
Hmmm... Would either want the winning prize? Gasly has been there. He’s seen Albon suffer. How much help would an experienced driver be next year when the 2022 car will be a completely different car to a fundamentally different set of rules..?faa77 said:
TheDeuce said:
I'm sure Sainz will! But unless he can teleport his car off the start line directly on to the podium there is no way next season they will be challenging Red Bull. A flea would have a better chance of tracking down it's own fart in a hurricane than Ferrari troubling the top spots next season.
I can't remember the points allocation but are you saying 3rd every week will beat 4th + 5th every week? If so, okay, i understand.I wouldn't normally be so confident about a 'new' season, but we know they have to use the same cars and they get only a single PU update between now and the end of next season... The gulf between RB and anyone that could threaten them is just too big. Max finishing 3rd or better most GP's will easily see the team clear of the pack and into 2nd in the WCC.
I suppose I could technically be proved wrong! But I honestly can't imagine how such a thing could happen given the status quo and limited development available. It would take Mercedes or Red Bull severely screwing something up to change the order at the top.
EDIT: 4th + 5th is more points than just one driver (Max) bagging third. But Max is unchallenged from below and can get reliably get on the podium. No other team is unchallenged to the extent they can reliably get their drivers to end 4th and 5th.
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 26th October 23:44
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
I wonder if Fernando Alonso is wishing he’d kept his powder dry rather than rushing in on the Alpine deal
Umm... They want to find the least damaging way to exit the supply deal with Honda, probably with some sympathetic understanding from Honda to allow RB to maintain at least the performance the PU gives them today. I'm not sure signing Alonso would help that effort 
If Gasly doesn't have the chance to get back into Red Bull, what is the point in the young driver program? Horner said on Sunday they'd seen the data and didn't think he would fair any better than Albon in the Red Bull now anyway.
So it's pointless.
Those who are wanting to see Hulk or Checo in the Red Bull, do you honestly think it's a good move or do you just want to see it because it's interesting/exciting/sticking two fingers up at Red Bull?
Hulk has proven time and time again, he doesn't have it. He has a lucky pole position to his name and every time he's been in a position to win or score a podium he's choked it. Gasly at least has had more success and is genuinely one of the most exciting drivers this year for fighting through the field.
Hulkenberg is a great guy, a real fan favourite and is without a doubt a great driver. Just not a great F1 driver.
Checo? So good he was booted out of McLaren after one season, trips over his team mates in the heat of battle and is plays the game of counter strategy to try and get a lucky podium.
If that's the four they have to consider, Gasly (without seeing the data) is head and shoulders above everyone. Even if the data shows he's still not achieving 100% out of the car, Jesus what does that say about Kvyat (and he was no slouch before he was steam rolled by the Max show).
You know who they should have got?
Danny Riciardo. It's criminal he's been reduced to a midfield journeyman, arguably by the very Red Bull driver program that's gotten Red Bull in this situation now. I also think he had the nous and confidence to ride out the sometimes poisonous Red Bull atmosphere promoted by Marko.
So it's pointless.
Those who are wanting to see Hulk or Checo in the Red Bull, do you honestly think it's a good move or do you just want to see it because it's interesting/exciting/sticking two fingers up at Red Bull?
Hulk has proven time and time again, he doesn't have it. He has a lucky pole position to his name and every time he's been in a position to win or score a podium he's choked it. Gasly at least has had more success and is genuinely one of the most exciting drivers this year for fighting through the field.
Hulkenberg is a great guy, a real fan favourite and is without a doubt a great driver. Just not a great F1 driver.
Checo? So good he was booted out of McLaren after one season, trips over his team mates in the heat of battle and is plays the game of counter strategy to try and get a lucky podium.
If that's the four they have to consider, Gasly (without seeing the data) is head and shoulders above everyone. Even if the data shows he's still not achieving 100% out of the car, Jesus what does that say about Kvyat (and he was no slouch before he was steam rolled by the Max show).
You know who they should have got?
Danny Riciardo. It's criminal he's been reduced to a midfield journeyman, arguably by the very Red Bull driver program that's gotten Red Bull in this situation now. I also think he had the nous and confidence to ride out the sometimes poisonous Red Bull atmosphere promoted by Marko.
Arguably there are never more than 2 or 3 potential winning seats in F1 at any one time. It's a combination of luck and skill to find yourself in one.
Gasley was given a chance and he choked. Leclerc, Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Villeneuve, Hill etc etc etc didn't. It's a brutal results business.
Gasley was given a chance and he choked. Leclerc, Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Villeneuve, Hill etc etc etc didn't. It's a brutal results business.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Checo? So good he was booted out of McLaren after one season, trips over his team mates in the heat of battle and is plays the game of counter strategy to try and get a lucky podium.
Exactly why I'd want to see him in a Red Bull against Max 
. Assuming he can handle the car better than the juniors and get closer to Max, the pair of them getting their elbows out at each other would be good.CoolHands said:
Where did lecerk spring from? Isn’t there any others like him?
I know I say this a little too often but I still think he's a little unproven so far. He didn't really do anything amazing compared to Vettel last year, he beat him on points but really only had a better run than Vettel once they went super-illegal with the engine and the point difference wasn't massive. Fairly even on podiums and wins IIRC, Le Clerc won two to one but Vettel had way more seconds.Who knows what else was going on as that power struggle played out? Vettel admits he picked the wrong battle to fight (with who?) and he's only being monstered this season since it's been announced he's out.
His statements after last weekend are pretty strong stuff.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
If Gasly doesn't have the chance to get back into Red Bull, what is the point in the young driver program? Horner said on Sunday they'd seen the data and didn't think he would fair any better than Albon in the Red Bull now anyway.
So it's pointless.
It (the RB young driver program) is a conveyor belt.So it's pointless.
From the early days of Christian Klein and Vitantonio Liuzzi through Jaime Alguersuari, Scott Speed, Jean-Eric Vergne and Sebastian Buemi, they've been about getting young drivers in, dropping them in the deep end and seeing if they can swim.
Vettel, Verstappen and Ricciardo swam and swam quite well. The others didn't and if you don't swim then you're chucked out of the pool.
Gasly had his chance and couldn't cut it, I highly doubt they'll give him another go in the main team unless he wins a race truly on merit (Monza was lucky due to safety car)
So, they're now looking for the next one but the problem is the well is drying up. They have a few in F2 but they're not setting the world on fire. Whether this is just a dry period and there's younger ones coming or a fundamental problem remains to be seen.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
You know who they should have got?
Danny Riciardo. It's criminal he's been reduced to a midfield journeyman, arguably by the very Red Bull driver program that's gotten Red Bull in this situation now. I also think he had the nous and confidence to ride out the sometimes poisonous Red Bull atmosphere promoted by Marko.
I agree with most of this, except for one thing, DR got out of RB because he knew that he would be the No. 2 and he believes he is a WDC contender (which I agree with). No way would he put up with being second fiddle to MV.Danny Riciardo. It's criminal he's been reduced to a midfield journeyman, arguably by the very Red Bull driver program that's gotten Red Bull in this situation now. I also think he had the nous and confidence to ride out the sometimes poisonous Red Bull atmosphere promoted by Marko.
In their last season together DR was beating MV until RB openly supported MV and DR decided to move on. After that point DR had 2 extra DNFs. At that time I would have chosen DR over MV because MV was still showing a lack of maturity in his driving, nowadays he is much more mature.
Toto Wolff has told Russell he'll be on the grid next year https://wtf1.com/post/toto-wolff-told-russell-that...
ajprice said:
Toto Wolff has told Russell he'll be on the grid next year https://wtf1.com/post/toto-wolff-told-russell-that...
All sorted then - as a test driver? Red Bull have indulged max and it has not been healthy.
They have encouraged this insolent persona by diminishing anyone elses efforts being due to the car being better.
So whenever Lewis wins they dont aknowledge it but stroke the max ego instead.
Max seems to have been groomed from an early age to be an F1 driver but is otherwise an idiot.
Constantly abuse chucked out in every direction was ok one or twice when he started out.
Rather than get him a team mate he is comfortable with and can dominate they need to shake him up a bit.
Perez fits the bill as he will beat him some days and teach him some humility.
Same as Riciarrdo will shut norris,another budding twerp up.
They have encouraged this insolent persona by diminishing anyone elses efforts being due to the car being better.
So whenever Lewis wins they dont aknowledge it but stroke the max ego instead.
Max seems to have been groomed from an early age to be an F1 driver but is otherwise an idiot.
Constantly abuse chucked out in every direction was ok one or twice when he started out.
Rather than get him a team mate he is comfortable with and can dominate they need to shake him up a bit.
Perez fits the bill as he will beat him some days and teach him some humility.
Same as Riciarrdo will shut norris,another budding twerp up.
I like Norris, he's quick, pretty consistent and is appealing for the new age of F1 fans with social media, twitch etc. McLaren were very shrewd not to release him to Red Bull when the asked and Red Bull must be pretty pissed to this day they weren't able to snag him, much as I am sure they regret releasing Sainz.
Fundoreen said:
Red Bull have indulged max and it has not been healthy.
They have encouraged this insolent persona by diminishing anyone elses efforts being due to the car being better.
So whenever Lewis wins they dont aknowledge it but stroke the max ego instead.
Max seems to have been groomed from an early age to be an F1 driver but is otherwise an idiot.
Constantly abuse chucked out in every direction was ok one or twice when he started out.
Rather than get him a team mate he is comfortable with and can dominate they need to shake him up a bit.
Perez fits the bill as he will beat him some days and teach him some humility.
Same as Riciarrdo will shut norris,another budding twerp up.
Perez (if he goes there) will teach Max precisely squat.They have encouraged this insolent persona by diminishing anyone elses efforts being due to the car being better.
So whenever Lewis wins they dont aknowledge it but stroke the max ego instead.
Max seems to have been groomed from an early age to be an F1 driver but is otherwise an idiot.
Constantly abuse chucked out in every direction was ok one or twice when he started out.
Rather than get him a team mate he is comfortable with and can dominate they need to shake him up a bit.
Perez fits the bill as he will beat him some days and teach him some humility.
Same as Riciarrdo will shut norris,another budding twerp up.
geeks said:
exelero said:
According to the Argentinian MotorLAT page Perez is 99% likely to sign with RBR
They might just need his money for that Honda IP they are after!For a team that brings in good sponsorship money with premium brands, what Perez brings isn’t worth losing the car real estate for.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
geeks said:
exelero said:
According to the Argentinian MotorLAT page Perez is 99% likely to sign with RBR
They might just need his money for that Honda IP they are after!For a team that brings in good sponsorship money with premium brands, what Perez brings isn’t worth losing the car real estate for.
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