The Official F1 2021 silly season *contains speculation*
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
jsf said:
Albon would have 2 more podiums to his name if he hadn't have had hits that were not his fault.
I wouldn't give up on him just yet. The problem is mostly a crap car handling trait.
I've worked in the past with balastic matched driver pairings where in one particular car one driver was 2s a lap slower and couldn't improve, that was due to the type of diff used, once i changed the diff to a different design both were back to equal pace and the car won everything.
You'd be surprised how little it takes to make a big difference in how competitive a driver can be, in F1 this is amplified.
To be fair to Albon it's been a consistent pattern in recent times at RB. Thing is, young drivers relatively new to F1 might not have the confidence to ride it out. Albon looks like he's about to burst into tears at any point. I wouldn't give up on him just yet. The problem is mostly a crap car handling trait.
I've worked in the past with balastic matched driver pairings where in one particular car one driver was 2s a lap slower and couldn't improve, that was due to the type of diff used, once i changed the diff to a different design both were back to equal pace and the car won everything.
You'd be surprised how little it takes to make a big difference in how competitive a driver can be, in F1 this is amplified.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Something he's not exactly unknown for when things are going his way. How many of his races have involved a collision with another car or crash?
Something seemed different this weekend, he looked properly down and out in most of the interviews even before the race. I think he's already been told he isn't in that seat next year DanielSan said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Something he's not exactly unknown for when things are going his way. How many of his races have involved a collision with another car or crash?
Something seemed different this weekend, he looked properly down and out in most of the interviews even before the race. I think he's already been told he isn't in that seat next year HTP99 said:
DanielSan said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Something he's not exactly unknown for when things are going his way. How many of his races have involved a collision with another car or crash?
Something seemed different this weekend, he looked properly down and out in most of the interviews even before the race. I think he's already been told he isn't in that seat next year Albon is broken. He needs some real psychological support and some help from his PR team as he couldn't present himself any more poorly in front of a camera. RB have totally put him out to pasture.
interesting to see RP saying the advancements they'd had in car setup that allowed then back to the front came from Hulkenberg and that they were actually the reason he found the car odd in the 4 laps he managed before the race.
does this say Perez / Stroll dont have the ability to feed back or make setup recommendations in the same way Hulk does? seems odd that they would develop the car based his few races unless Perez/Stroll were unable to give a clear direction.
does this say Perez / Stroll dont have the ability to feed back or make setup recommendations in the same way Hulk does? seems odd that they would develop the car based his few races unless Perez/Stroll were unable to give a clear direction.
DanielSan said:
Stratovarious said:
number2 said:
... I'm quite disappointed there's no F1 this weekend ...
Not me, I've got quite enough boring things to look forward to without adding one more.Stratovarious said:
I persevere in the hope that it may improve at some point. On the other hand, 40-odd years and counting is probably enough for me to get it into my thick head that it isn't going to.
I've been watching since around 1977. F1, for most of that time, has been pretty boring. The idea looking back that it often used to be like Villeneuve and Arnoux at Dijon in 1979 is a total fallacy. Most of the time it was really pretty tedious.What we have now is better than at almost any other time in F1 history. Granted, the cars are utterly lacking viscerally live, but as a TV sport, it's on something of a high. We've got some superb drivers, Verstappen, LeClerc, Ricciardo, and truly one of the very greatest of all-time, Lewis Hamilton. The cars are INSANELY quick, a completely different kind of speed over a lap to generations past. And in the midfield, in particular, we have some really great wheel to wheel racing most weekends.
We still get some dull races, and improvements can be made, in particular perhaps by significantly reducing downforce. But, on the whole, it's usually pretty bloody good.
paulguitar said:
I've been watching since around 1977. F1, for most of that time, has been pretty boring. The idea looking back that it often used to be like Villeneuve and Arnoux at Dijon in 1979 is a total fallacy. Most of the time it was really pretty tedious.
What we have now is better than at almost any other time in F1 history. Granted, the cars are utterly lacking viscerally live, but as a TV sport, it's on something of a high. We've got some superb drivers, Verstappen, LeClerc, Ricciardo, and truly one of the very greatest of all-time, Lewis Hamilton. The cars are INSANELY quick, a completely different kind of speed over a lap to generations past. And in the midfield, in particular, we have some really great wheel to wheel racing most weekends.
We still get some dull races, and improvements can be made, in particular perhaps by significantly reducing downforce. But, on the whole, it's usually pretty bloody good.
My thoughts exactly. People have rose tinted glasses for ‘the good old days’ when in fact most races were sWhat we have now is better than at almost any other time in F1 history. Granted, the cars are utterly lacking viscerally live, but as a TV sport, it's on something of a high. We've got some superb drivers, Verstappen, LeClerc, Ricciardo, and truly one of the very greatest of all-time, Lewis Hamilton. The cars are INSANELY quick, a completely different kind of speed over a lap to generations past. And in the midfield, in particular, we have some really great wheel to wheel racing most weekends.
We still get some dull races, and improvements can be made, in particular perhaps by significantly reducing downforce. But, on the whole, it's usually pretty bloody good.
t. Yes there was the odd exciting moment once or twice a race but most of it was boring and processional.One problem is the cars are so ugly. Whoever rubber stamped rules for abominations like these needs a boot up the arse.
I remember the press reporting excitedly about them just parroting the official line. So before social media had their lunch they were still rubbish.
No overtaking as they are too big and wide for the tracks. Looks slower on tv as well due to the size. Same way a bus looks slow and people step in front of it.
F1 shot themseles in the foot prior to the last race by youtubing an Eifel GP from approx 10 years ago and the cars looked great.
Hope the new rules address this but I doubt it. A longer car will cross the line sooner by a fraction while looking slow. But designers dont care about that. Its just the stopwatch they worry about.
Cant even say F Charlie as it probably wasn't him.
I remember the press reporting excitedly about them just parroting the official line. So before social media had their lunch they were still rubbish.
No overtaking as they are too big and wide for the tracks. Looks slower on tv as well due to the size. Same way a bus looks slow and people step in front of it.
F1 shot themseles in the foot prior to the last race by youtubing an Eifel GP from approx 10 years ago and the cars looked great.
Hope the new rules address this but I doubt it. A longer car will cross the line sooner by a fraction while looking slow. But designers dont care about that. Its just the stopwatch they worry about.
Cant even say F Charlie as it probably wasn't him.
Fundoreen said:
One problem is the cars are so ugly. Whoever rubber stamped rules for abominations like these needs a boot up the arse.
I remember the press reporting excitedly about them just parroting the official line. So before social media had their lunch they were still rubbish.
No overtaking as they are too big and wide for the tracks. Looks slower on tv as well due to the size. Same way a bus looks slow and people step in front of it.
F1 shot themseles in the foot prior to the last race by youtubing an Eifel GP from approx 10 years ago and the cars looked great.
Hope the new rules address this but I doubt it. A longer car will cross the line sooner by a fraction while looking slow. But designers dont care about that. Its just the stopwatch they worry about.
Cant even say F Charlie as it probably wasn't him.
Hmmm... can’t say I agree with much of that. Personally I think the cars look pretty good, certainly a lot better that when they had winglets and other add-ons hung on them.I remember the press reporting excitedly about them just parroting the official line. So before social media had their lunch they were still rubbish.
No overtaking as they are too big and wide for the tracks. Looks slower on tv as well due to the size. Same way a bus looks slow and people step in front of it.
F1 shot themseles in the foot prior to the last race by youtubing an Eifel GP from approx 10 years ago and the cars looked great.
Hope the new rules address this but I doubt it. A longer car will cross the line sooner by a fraction while looking slow. But designers dont care about that. Its just the stopwatch they worry about.
Cant even say F Charlie as it probably wasn't him.
The designers can’t really be blamed... they’re working to the rule book. There have been a few processional races but in the main, a decent amount of overtakes, especially in the midfield battles.
Re the stopwatch. Surely that’s at the very core of the sport. What team is going to give up even a 10th for a slightly more aesthetically pleasing look?
The 2022 cars will bring big changes... 18” wheels, ground effect, a more 21st century look, you maybe happy then
MissChief said:
My thoughts exactly. People have rose tinted glasses for ‘the good old days’ when in fact most races were st. Yes there was the odd exciting moment once or twice a race but most of it was boring and processional.
With high unreliability, multiple lappings and driver deaths thrown in for good measure.t. Yes there was the odd exciting moment once or twice a race but most of it was boring and processional.paulguitar said:
I've been watching since around 1977. F1, for most of that time, has been pretty boring. The idea looking back that it often used to be like Villeneuve and Arnoux at Dijon in 1979 is a total fallacy. Most of the time it was really pretty tedious.
What we have now is better than at almost any other time in F1 history. Granted, the cars are utterly lacking viscerally live, but as a TV sport, it's on something of a high. We've got some superb drivers, Verstappen, LeClerc, Ricciardo, and truly one of the very greatest of all-time, Lewis Hamilton. The cars are INSANELY quick, a completely different kind of speed over a lap to generations past. And in the midfield, in particular, we have some really great wheel to wheel racing most weekends.
We still get some dull races, and improvements can be made, in particular perhaps by significantly reducing downforce. But, on the whole, it's usually pretty bloody good.
I hope i'm right in saying this, but one of the biggest problems atm is the cars are too delicate, meaning drivers are scared of touching.What we have now is better than at almost any other time in F1 history. Granted, the cars are utterly lacking viscerally live, but as a TV sport, it's on something of a high. We've got some superb drivers, Verstappen, LeClerc, Ricciardo, and truly one of the very greatest of all-time, Lewis Hamilton. The cars are INSANELY quick, a completely different kind of speed over a lap to generations past. And in the midfield, in particular, we have some really great wheel to wheel racing most weekends.
We still get some dull races, and improvements can be made, in particular perhaps by significantly reducing downforce. But, on the whole, it's usually pretty bloody good.
I believe the 2022 regs remove a lot of the "delicate" bargeboard stuff and make the cars more durable to impact?
And if they made them slightly narrower, that would help too.
Edited by faa77 on Saturday 17th October 01:06
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