The Official F1 2021 silly season *contains speculation*
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TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Nb, as we know Mr Wolff is involved with Racing Point/Aston Martin as well as Mercedes, and none of his drivers have been appointed as new for next year..
Interesting side point... Mercedes (Daimler) are also involved in Aston Martin. I have said it a few times but I think there is something more of a plan coming together there involving Toto, Stroll, AM and Mercedes than just F1, and more to come in F1 terms as a result of it too. I feel like we're currently seeing about 50% of whatever Toto and Stroll are working on.Maybe Mercedes at some point need to kick their AMG brand to a sub brand in order to avoid huge EU emissions fines as a mainstream car producer? The powertrains are already in the AM cars.. It would allow Mercedes to finally exit F1 after becoming pretty much undefeatable for perhaps decades yet still retain a presence as AMG as a PU supplier feeding the marketing interests of AM that Toto, Stroll and Daimler have interests in and at a stroke transfer what has been great about Mercedes F1 to AM F1, provide a new home for Mercedes AMG power both on track and on the road and help Mercedes as car builders move on to a new future without the lead weight of petrol swigging V8's bogging them down as a brand. Mercedes = quality sensible and responsible cars. AM = fun cars for the rich and gittish.
All hopeless speculation of course! But I'm convinced there is more of a plan coming together than we have seen to date. Too many crossovers in terms of investment and cooperation to believe otherwise.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 23 October 23:22
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Deesee said:
Anyway..
Here’s the Williams are not the worst car graphic,
Well ahead of Hass and Alfa on the shadow, not quite renault on the performance.
Any chance you could explain what that chart is showing. Time gained/lost compared to what? Start of the season? Average lap? Average fastest lap? Average qualifying lap?Here’s the Williams are not the worst car graphic,
Well ahead of Hass and Alfa on the shadow, not quite renault on the performance.
And how does it take the driver element out the equation?
HighwayStar said:
According to Toto the Mercedes name is staying in F1 but they will push the AMG brand more.
https://www.gpfans.com/amp/article.php?id=58065
Mercedes DNA. https://www.gpfans.com/amp/article.php?id=58065
Brackley DNA perhaps with a lingering hint of Ockham.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Deesee said:
Anyway..
Here’s the Williams are not the worst car graphic,
Well ahead of Hass and Alfa on the shadow, not quite renault on the performance.
Any chance you could explain what that chart is showing. Time gained/lost compared to what? Start of the season? Average lap? Average fastest lap? Average qualifying lap?Here’s the Williams are not the worst car graphic,
Well ahead of Hass and Alfa on the shadow, not quite renault on the performance.
And how does it take the driver element out the equation?
All laps (race), not Quali pace (low fuel).
& yes they can adjust/rationale the driver, normalise/benchmark the car.
I still stand firm on Russel needing more time, his teammates so far have been Kubica, first time back in f1, even a formula car, after his injury, and Latifi, who is there on financial backing.
Quite often you see Russel start ahead and then find he’s dropping back, quite a few races he’s found himself close to latifi.
He could do with a season in a midfield car, he needs to sort his starts out and work on his race craft.
Also he does come across full of himself, maybe this latest news will draw him inline somewhat.
Quite often you see Russel start ahead and then find he’s dropping back, quite a few races he’s found himself close to latifi.
He could do with a season in a midfield car, he needs to sort his starts out and work on his race craft.
Also he does come across full of himself, maybe this latest news will draw him inline somewhat.
usn90 said:
I still stand firm on Russel needing more time, his teammates so far have been Kubica, first time back in f1, even a formula car, after his injury, and Latifi, who is there on financial backing.
Quite often you see Russel start ahead and then find he’s dropping back, quite a few races he’s found himself close to latifi.
He could do with a season in a midfield car, he needs to sort his starts out and work on his race craft.
Also he does come across full of himself, maybe this latest news will draw him inline somewhat.
He is 31-0 compared to Robert Kubica and Nicholas Latifi in qualification; he has never been outqualified by a Williams teammate. And normally by a margin.Quite often you see Russel start ahead and then find he’s dropping back, quite a few races he’s found himself close to latifi.
He could do with a season in a midfield car, he needs to sort his starts out and work on his race craft.
Also he does come across full of himself, maybe this latest news will draw him inline somewhat.
The race results are more mixed, but he is also mixing it up in the middle and so more prone to incidents vs Latifi who often has a clear line of sight in front of him...
Leithen said:
HighwayStar said:
According to Toto the Mercedes name is staying in F1 but they will push the AMG brand more.
https://www.gpfans.com/amp/article.php?id=58065
Mercedes DNA. https://www.gpfans.com/amp/article.php?id=58065
Brackley DNA perhaps with a lingering hint of Ockham.
thegreenhell said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Tyrrell-Mercedes at heart.
They have always been coming up with new ideas to do with front wheels overs there.
Not much Tyrrell DNA there, apart from the registered company number. BAR was a clean-sheet startup, so you might as well thank Jacques Villeneuve.They have always been coming up with new ideas to do with front wheels overs there.
Leithen said:
thegreenhell said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Tyrrell-Mercedes at heart.
They have always been coming up with new ideas to do with front wheels overs there.
Not much Tyrrell DNA there, apart from the registered company number. BAR was a clean-sheet startup, so you might as well thank Jacques Villeneuve.They have always been coming up with new ideas to do with front wheels overs there.
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
Nb, as we know Mr Wolff is involved with Racing Point/Aston Martin as well as Mercedes, and none of his drivers have been appointed as new for next year..
Interesting side point... Mercedes (Daimler) are also involved in Aston Martin. I have said it a few times but I think there is something more of a plan coming together there involving Toto, Stroll, AM and Mercedes than just F1, and more to come in F1 terms as a result of it too. I feel like we're currently seeing about 50% of whatever Toto and Stroll are working on.Maybe Mercedes at some point need to kick their AMG brand to a sub brand in order to avoid huge EU emissions fines as a mainstream car producer? The powertrains are already in the AM cars.. It would allow Mercedes to finally exit F1 after becoming pretty much undefeatable for perhaps decades yet still retain a presence as AMG as a PU supplier feeding the marketing interests of AM that Toto, Stroll and Daimler have interests in and at a stroke transfer what has been great about Mercedes F1 to AM F1, provide a new home for Mercedes AMG power both on track and on the road and help Mercedes as car builders move on to a new future without the lead weight of petrol swigging V8's bogging them down as a brand. Mercedes = quality sensible and responsible cars. AM = fun cars for the rich and gittish.
All hopeless speculation of course! But I'm convinced there is more of a plan coming together than we have seen to date. Too many crossovers in terms of investment and cooperation to believe otherwise.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 23 October 23:22
I really don’t get why some people are so adamant that Mercedes are exiting.
Nothing Mercedes have said or done indicates that this will happen?
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