Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers
Discussion
DanielSan said:
jsf said:
If i was Bottas i would tell them to bugger off. He needs as many points between him and Lewis as possible.
Remember, he is on a 1 year contract, this might be his last chance of winning.
Very much this. Lewis wouldn't be doing it if it was the other way round. Remember, he is on a 1 year contract, this might be his last chance of winning.
Ferrari would have swapped. Do Mercedes want to be Ferrari these days..? Nope. It's not just about one time results, it's about empowering Bottas to know that if he finds the pace, he really will be given an open road. It's basically about extracting the best from both drivers by letting them know it's always fair - at least until the rest of the teams efforts are genuinely at risk.
Mercedes are principled. Sticking to principals can empower everyone in a team. It's bigger than one race result.
Just watched the highlights Great race in all.
Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
dazwalsh said:
Just watched the highlights Great race in all.
Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
Well that's arguable, ALB's right rear hit HAM's front left as he passed him so ALB did drive into HAM. That's not to say that HAM should have realised he'd lost the corner and gotten out the throttle to let ALB past mind you.Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
TheDeuce said:
A keystone of Mercedes F1 has been value and respect of one another's efforts within the team. That includes the drivers. I'm not going to foolishly pretend that two F1 drivers want to play nice... But from Toto's point of view it would have been anti team spirit to even slightly risk bottas's efforts. He won the race for them yesterday.. it was his to drive and own without game playing.
Ferrari would have swapped. Do Mercedes want to be Ferrari these days..? Nope. It's not just about one time results, it's about empowering Bottas to know that if he finds the pace, he really will be given an open road. It's basically about extracting the best from both drivers by letting them know it's always fair - at least until the rest of the teams efforts are genuinely at risk.
Mercedes are principled. Sticking to principals can empower everyone in a team. It's bigger than one race result.
Beyond any sort of principal it's a surprisingly time consuming thing to orchestrate and carry out, and they certainly didn't have the track position or from the sounds of it complete confidence in reliability to be cocking about swapping cars. Ferrari would have swapped. Do Mercedes want to be Ferrari these days..? Nope. It's not just about one time results, it's about empowering Bottas to know that if he finds the pace, he really will be given an open road. It's basically about extracting the best from both drivers by letting them know it's always fair - at least until the rest of the teams efforts are genuinely at risk.
Mercedes are principled. Sticking to principals can empower everyone in a team. It's bigger than one race result.
The one thing in all this that hasn't been given the credit is Lando's last lap. For anyone that hasn't seen it watch the on board footage. It's a full on give it everything the cars got quali lap and he nails every single element of it.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
dazwalsh said:
Just watched the highlights Great race in all.
Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
Well that's arguable, ALB's right rear hit HAM's front left as he passed him so ALB did drive into HAM. That's not to say that HAM should have realised he'd lost the corner and gotten out the throttle to let ALB past mind you.Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
dazwalsh said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
dazwalsh said:
Just watched the highlights Great race in all.
Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
Well that's arguable, ALB's right rear hit HAM's front left as he passed him so ALB did drive into HAM. That's not to say that HAM should have realised he'd lost the corner and gotten out the throttle to let ALB past mind you.Regarding the Hamilton incident, I think it was fair that penalty, Albon was already past him mid corner and on the power a lot earlier. Hamilton should have done more to avoid that contact and let him back on track rather than forcing him to stay out on the kerb. Fair enough if side by side but Hamiltons front hit Albons rear so he had clearly lost that place and the inside line for the next corner.
Lando nailing the fastest lap and the podium at the end was very nice to see though.
Good race for me.
I'm a Lewis fan, but I have a theory that by the time Albon caught Lewis, Lewis knew it was all about saving the race, and he was fully aware that Albon would win the race if he got past Lewis. So Lewis decided not to give an inch and see what happened (it wasn't quite taking one for the team but close). Lewis 'won' the clash but got the penalty (rightly or wrongly), and Albon did not win the race. Mercedes won the race, had a good points finish for both drivers. Lewis wasn't going to win anyway without Bottas' gearbox failing, and of course Lewis' could have failed instead.
I'm a Lewis fan, but I have a theory that by the time Albon caught Lewis, Lewis knew it was all about saving the race, and he was fully aware that Albon would win the race if he got past Lewis. So Lewis decided not to give an inch and see what happened (it wasn't quite taking one for the team but close). Lewis 'won' the clash but got the penalty (rightly or wrongly), and Albon did not win the race. Mercedes won the race, had a good points finish for both drivers. Lewis wasn't going to win anyway without Bottas' gearbox failing, and of course Lewis' could have failed instead.
Targarama said:
Good race for me.
I'm a Lewis fan, but I have a theory that by the time Albon caught Lewis, Lewis knew it was all about saving the race, and he was fully aware that Albon would win the race if he got past Lewis. So Lewis decided not to give an inch and see what happened (it wasn't quite taking one for the team but close). Lewis 'won' the clash but got the penalty (rightly or wrongly), and Albon did not win the race. Mercedes won the race, had a good points finish for both drivers. Lewis wasn't going to win anyway without Bottas' gearbox failing, and of course Lewis' could have failed instead.
I wonder if he's conscious of how aggressive Max became when he wasn't slapped down. When LeClerc held him off at Monza last year.his view was basically "that's fine, it'll just be different in future".I'm a Lewis fan, but I have a theory that by the time Albon caught Lewis, Lewis knew it was all about saving the race, and he was fully aware that Albon would win the race if he got past Lewis. So Lewis decided not to give an inch and see what happened (it wasn't quite taking one for the team but close). Lewis 'won' the clash but got the penalty (rightly or wrongly), and Albon did not win the race. Mercedes won the race, had a good points finish for both drivers. Lewis wasn't going to win anyway without Bottas' gearbox failing, and of course Lewis' could have failed instead.
First race of the Season and Albon has been punted twice. It might make him more hesitant in future where Red Bull really push for maximum agression. As we saw with Rosberg, Lewis is good at turning hard defences into 50/50 moments, this might be groundwork.
ch37 said:
Lando really did earn that podium, didn't he. Epic final lap, and had to fend off his team mate (and pass Perez) shortly before to even be in that position.
Yes, was a very good lap and a well-earned first podium for Norris. Great situational awareness from his team too. https://youtube.com/watch?v=RF_fu_DT4qM
Unnusual for Mercedes to be caught flat-footed at the end though, even as they were nursing their own issues. They should have told Bottas to either speed up or let Lewis go, once the LH penalty was given.
TheDeuce said:
DanielSan said:
jsf said:
If i was Bottas i would tell them to bugger off. He needs as many points between him and Lewis as possible.
Remember, he is on a 1 year contract, this might be his last chance of winning.
Very much this. Lewis wouldn't be doing it if it was the other way round. Remember, he is on a 1 year contract, this might be his last chance of winning.
Ferrari would have swapped. Do Mercedes want to be Ferrari these days..? Nope. It's not just about one time results, it's about empowering Bottas to know that if he finds the pace, he really will be given an open road. It's basically about extracting the best from both drivers by letting them know it's always fair - at least until the rest of the teams efforts are genuinely at risk.
Mercedes are principled. Sticking to principals can empower everyone in a team. It's bigger than one race result.
Plenty of time for Hamilton to be helped yet.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Well that's arguable, ALB's right rear hit HAM's front left as he passed him so ALB did drive into HAM. That's not to say that HAM should have realised he'd lost the corner and gotten out the throttle to let ALB past mind you.
Looking at Lewis’ onboard, he didn’t move his hands at all through the corner - if he’d have started to straighten out before the impact then it would have been a fair enough penalty, but there was a fair bit of track and kerb to Albon’s left that was still available if he wanted it. So a racing incident IMO, which agrees with Brundle’s instant reaction in the commentary that it was a little naïve of Albon to think that Lewis wasn’t going to make him use all the track to get past. The stewards of course disagreed, and their view is what matters! ch37 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Race fastest laps
1. Norris - 1m 07.475s
2. Bottas - 1m 07.657s
3. Hamilton - 1m 07.712s
Lando really did earn that podium, didn't he. Epic final lap, and had to fend off his team mate (and pass Perez) shortly before to even be in that position.1. Norris - 1m 07.475s
2. Bottas - 1m 07.657s
3. Hamilton - 1m 07.712s
With Austria 2 coming up, who and what is going to change?
Mclaren & Racing Point showed a lot of class, I expect to see them block out Ferrari in positions 4-8.
What do people think?
- Mercedes are going to have to get on top of what ever is causing the vibration sensitivity in the transmission.
- RedBull need to do a post mortum on WTF happened to the electrical control systems of both cars, again I suspect its a vibration sensitivity.
- Haas...how the hell do you fix the brakes in a week? Unless it was purely down to heat and they can knock up a decent duct?
- Williams fuel pressure issue, so either a pump failure or another team with electrical/vibration sensitivity.
Mclaren & Racing Point showed a lot of class, I expect to see them block out Ferrari in positions 4-8.
What do people think?
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